Mobile phone numbers… is this possible?

Since 2016 I offer for sale a database of mobile phones as device specifications, NOT numbers, and a visitor of that page sent me an email which after few replies I realized that he was NOT looking for phone devices, but phone numbers. I feel surprised to see people making such confusion. Tell me how do you EXPECT to be able to collect people’s numbers which is private info?

Phone numbers is personal information so selling them is ILLEGAL.

I do not collect phone numbers, and if I do, selling people’s phone numbers violate Personal Data Protection Commision in Singapore (other countries may have similar laws). Don’t ask me for that. I write this page to inform people about this fact.

Update: in September 2018 been contacted by a mobile app developer offering to sell me phone numbers databases, by this way I realized that mobile app developers does track who are using their app and may have such databases.

First strange email

Customer:
Hi Teoalida!
I’m looking for phone lists to market some products. Any chance we can work together?


Teoalida:
I already have phone database and I guess that you saw it since you sent this email. But I can also work for you if you want to change something in database or make new databases!


Customer:
Yes! I saw a couple samples on your site. Im looking for mobile phone databases of people interested in real estate or looking to buy real estate. Do you have them?


Teoalida:
I create database in many fields but phones and real estate cannot mix… what do you mean???
May I know which pages of my website have you opened?


Customer:
I went through the list of your databases. What i am interested in is a list of mobile phone numbers of people living in a certain area. Or really just mobile phone numbers of any group of people in Singapore. Would this be data that you keep?


Teoalida:
LOL…. so you’re from Singapore?
Mobile Phone database is about phones as products sold worldwide and not phone numbers in certain area. You’re 3rd person I think who ask about phone numbers (other 2 asking about flat owners and car owners), may I know how do you EXPECT someone to be able to collect them and if is LEGAL what we are doing?

Second strange email

Customer:
Hi there, I am wondering whether do you have serangoon hdb database (in term of contacts) thank you Merry xmas and Happy new year


Teoalida:
I have all towns in HDB blocks databases and you can buy each town individually or whole Singapore with discount… what do you mean “in terms of contacts” ????


Customer:
Hi ,
Sorry I mean their handphone no..
Thanks


Teoalida:
Let me guess… you want to spam SMS to promote your agent services?
I have phone numbers of my local friends, few dozens of them… if I give you these numbers does it helps you? Also do you think that is legal to give friends phone number without their permission?
Tell me HOW DO YOU THINK that I would be able to collect phone numbers of large amount of people?


Customer:
Hi,
Thank you for your prompt reply.
Wish you happy new year!
God bless.


I sent him 1 more message and he never replied, never answered my questions. Probably ashamed of his request.
Few months earlier I told to someone about people looking for mobile phone numbers and he told me that is ILLEGAL

(3:53:52 PM) Visitor 41318597: By the way, I was from a very big company.. **************.. So I believe my words does carry it’s weight..
(3:54:15 PM) Visitor 41318597: Anyway.. The main purpose of any company is to make money..
(3:54:47 PM) Visitor 41318597: and the main purpose of their R&D department is to help give the company some edge that would make it more money..
(3:55:17 PM) Visitor 41318597: Usually the first step is data collection… Which is what you are doing..
(3:55:26 PM) Teoalida: but what kind of data do you collect?
(3:55:33 PM) Teoalida: have you seen how I wrote in About me…. “data mining”
(3:56:15 PM) Teoalida: someone asked me for a database of flat owners’ phone numbers… is this possible?
(3:56:15 PM) Visitor 41318597: I have not yet gone through your whole website, so unfortunately I have not read that yet.. But will do soon..
(3:56:51 PM) Visitor 41318597: Hmmm.. Database of flat owner’s phone number is a bit tricky..
(3:58:00 PM) Visitor 41318597: This is because:
1) I’m not sure where you’re going to get them
2) Phone numbers are kind of private information that you could only have if the owner gave it to you.. Else, you should not be selling such information. May get into trouble..
(3:58:21 PM) Visitor 41318597: They are protected by the PDPA.. (Personal Data Protection Act)
(3:58:46 PM) Teoalida: I told him that even if can be collected, would be illegal to sell
(3:58:59 PM) Visitor 41318597: Even if you have such data.. Maybe your friend’s number or such, you cannot sell or distribute without their permission.
(3:59:07 PM) Visitor 41318597: You’re right.. That is illegal..

Strange indian not understanding what I am selling

Country: India
Page URL: http://www.teoalida.com/database/phones/

Chat started on Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:02:41 PM

(9:02:41 PM) *** Visitor 78299220 has joined the chat ***
(9:02:43 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… are you looking for a specific database? you are welcome for a chat!
(9:03:56 PM) Visitor 78299220: Can you plse provide me data of insurance co.
(9:04:10 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(9:04:15 PM) Teoalida: what insurance companies?
(9:04:16 PM) Visitor 78299220: Such as lic
(9:04:19 PM) Teoalida: this database is about mobile phone devices
(9:04:31 PM) Teoalida: but I can create a custom database for you via web scraping
(9:04:37 PM) Teoalida: www.teoalida.com/database/webscraping
(9:04:43 PM) Visitor 78299220: Customer database
(9:05:42 PM) Visitor 78299220: I need customer name mobile no city and policy holder
(9:05:59 PM) Teoalida: LOL
(9:06:09 PM) Visitor 78299220: Database of utter pradesh
(9:06:19 PM) Teoalida: from your 1st message I though that you want a list of companies in insurance
(9:06:36 PM) Visitor 78299220: No
(9:06:42 PM) Teoalida: ask the insurance company to share with you their customers data
(9:07:15 PM) Teoalida: do you really think that they will disclose their data to third-party people and potential competitors?
(9:07:34 PM) Visitor 78299220: No
(9:07:54 PM) Visitor 78299220: I was just asked if you can provide me
(9:07:58 PM) Teoalida: do you realize that what do you ask is off my website topic?
(9:08:10 PM) Visitor 78299220: Ok
(9:08:14 PM) Visitor 78299220: Thanks
(9:08:17 PM) Teoalida: leave an email address
(9:08:29 PM) Teoalida: I would like to ask you later if you found anyone to provide you
(9:08:35 PM) Teoalida: because I DON’T believe that you will ever find
(9:09:00 PM) *** Visitor 78299220 has left ***

Not-so-legal ways to get mobile phone numbers database

If you are a long-time internet user you may have seen on various websites some ads “you won an iPhone” who ask you to take a simple quiz, then ask you to input your phone number to enter in a draw (most likely a fake contest where nobody wins anything). Other websites offer a “free IQ test” and after you answer all questions, it ask you to input your phone number to receive the results, I don’t know if you actually receive results because didn’t tried. These websites do collect phone numbers of naive people and eventually sell them. If you are looking to buy a mobile phone numbers database, you can contact this type of websites.

In 2017 been contacted by a marketing company who pay websites to add a cookie and send them user information (email, phone number, etc), offered to pay me too but my website do not have a registration feature. Read our chat.

This is another dirty way to collect people’s emails and phone numbers under a notification “I accept cookies”. That company was not selling database itself, but was offering services such as SMS blast to the numbers they collected. So if you want to advertise a service via SMS marketing you can try to contact such kind of marketing company.

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