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Dilemma: is my site a blog or website?

Is my one a blog or a website? How do you define a BLOG?
Personally I define BLOG the ones where a person write their diaries (web log > weB LOG), so my one should be called WEBSITE, but many people referred me as “this blogger have…” , “found on his blog“.

I saw many idiots writing such journals on blogspot.com, I wanted something more professional, a website with static pages instead of posts sorted by date.
So, in 2009 when I made my first business-oriented website, I choose www.teoalida.WEBS.com. In the final days of Oct 2012, it reached 50 static pages, having 1 MB in total (the size of text, including page coding, not including images or any part of template).
Since early 2012 I was thinking about a new website under www.teoalida.com, I launched it in Aug 2012 and I choose WordPress platform, despite of the higher risk of being called BLOG. WordPress is well-known for blogs, but it is not only for blogs. BIG websites like www.archdaily.com and www.h88.com.sg use WordPress too.

One customer of Car Database praised the database but criticized the website because “looks like a blog“, (Aug 2012, while being under Webs.com = static pages, NO blog posts sorted by date).
So, what is wrong at me???? Please give me suggestions how to make it less blog-like, or anything to improve appearance!

A singaporean appreciated the blog-style posts becauise “we can see exact date you posted them” sorry to say but it is not posting date, I manipulate the dates to set certain order of posts, most important first (jan 2013).

Another singaporean criticized that the website looks too personal and suggested urgent improvements …. but that the truth, this IS a personal website!
How to make i less personal? I can replace “about me” with “about us”, “I am” with “we are” but wouldn’t be correct (March 2013).

Dilemma: what are copyright issues?

I have on website numerous photographs that are not made by me, all them are LINKED to their original source. Some people suggested to stop linking images from other websites and upload them on my own account instead. Is this a copyright issue?
All the images made by me are hosted on my own Photobucket and Imageshack accounts and have my name on them. But I decided to end using third-party image hosting since I am paying this hosting for unlimited bandwidth, I will upload all images on own server… should do this for images not made by me? Is this a copyright issue?

I was contacted for a house plan, even if I told him that I can design a house for you in 30 min for FREE, he said “Thanks anyway, I found a floor plan on your website that match my needs” and after 5 min of more talking, he left. I am afraid that he is going to show my floor plan to a local architect and pay him to design the full project (a job that I could do myself too), but by this way he stole my idea and I earned nothing. Isn’t this a copyright issue?

Meantime I was contacted by some magazines and students from Singapore, asking permission to use images found on my website, although the images are linked from Panoramio so obviously are not made by me. I said “Feel free to use these images… but do not touch my own work“… this is copyright respect! Thank you!

I have noticed some websites collecting images, including from my website and mixing them with a lot of images grabbed from other websites and keywords unrelated each other, I have no idea what is the purpose of such websites, but taking my images without even asking a permission even if they put a link back to me, IS a copyright issue!

Next: a crazy situation…
I gave to a student a drawing MADE BY ME and unexpected happened: he says that is not allowed to use it! Well, we both misunderstood each other!

[15:55] Teoalida: hmm… let’s give you the plan of my own block?
[15:56] Visitor: If possible, yes. I am looking for something that has about 4 to 6 units in an apartment building.
[15:57] Teoalida: www.teoalida.com/Teoalida%20Home%20block.dwg
[15:57] Teoalida: Give me an opinion…
[15:58] Visitor: Thank you. I will open it now and have a look. Please bear with me while it opens.
[16:05] Visitor: Looks fantastic. Can I have your permission to use this material in an assignment? If so, could I have your last name so that I may reference it correctly?
[16:05] Teoalida: Since it is drawing of a real building (and not my own concept, or intended to be built)… hmm what do you think?
[16:07] Visitor: hmm maybe not then. but thank you for sharing it with me. I will delete the file in fairness so that it cannot be abused by others. I will have to look elsewhere to find a 4 or 6 unit apartment complex building for reference. Thank you for your help.
[16:08] Teoalida: Not.. what?
[16:08] Teoalida: Why elsewhere?
[16:08] Teoalida: My one can’t be usable?
[16:08] Teoalida: I will say USE IT as long as remain in university, not using it for making profit
[16:08] Teoalida: I am confused about how the rights of usage should be… please explain
[16:10] Visitor: I am ALLOWED to use it ONLY if referenced to the original owner/producer. Otherwise, it is considered plagarism. Since you do not own it, I cant use the drawing.
[16:10] Teoalida: In my opinion was better to give for FREE the drawing of a real building instead of a drawing of my own concepts that I normally sell for money
[16:10] Teoalida: I do not own? How I can own…
[16:10] Teoalida: I OWN the corner apartment and I drew entire building = I am the author of drawing but not the author of building concept
[16:12] Teoalida: about name, you can simply write Teoalida’s block or Teoalida’s Design – www.teoalida.com
[16:12] Teoalida: no need for full name
[16:13] Visitor: 🙂 i understand what you are trying to say. I misunderstood.
[16:13] Visitor: my apologies
[16:13] Teoalida: I misunderstood too
[16:14] Visitor: I would like to use your drawing, and i will be sure to let you know how my assignment goes! may i email you once complete?
[16:14] Teoalida: btw, showing in my website photographs made by other people, but linked to their original source instead of uploading on my own server, it’s OK ?
[16:14] Teoalida: I would like to hear from you again if things goes well
[16:15] Teoalida: I has been contacted by a lot of students asking such help and so far none came back to tell me results
[16:16] Visitor: yes, external links are fine, I can see where they originate from and can reference there as necessary.
[16:16] Teoalida: Really?
[16:16] Teoalida: my parents said that is OK to use photos but some of website visitors said contrary, now I am confused
[16:18] Teoalida: Many people confuse my website (especially architecture section) where I am the author of all drawings… with a website that just collect random images from google
[16:18] Visitor: Technically, each image should be followed immediately with a reference to the image source. In that way, since you are not using it for profit, it is OK. If you do not reference, it could be bad.
[16:19] Teoalida: I keep getting questions “Do you made this?” “Do you also design houses?” “Are you architect”?
[16:19] Teoalida: isn’t obivious from website content?
[16:20] Visitor: Well, with a website such as this, it is not obvious you are NOT an architect/designer. It appears to me that you are a freelance designer.
[16:20] Visitor: 🙂
[16:21] Teoalida: Try to answer without thinking that you have read About me page, many don’t read

Dilemma: is this commercial or not?

Despite being online on CHAT, a visitor made an enquiry via EMAIL regarding Car Database
Beside answering his questions, I also added:

Do my chat popped up in your lower-right corner? You are not the first one who seems to ignore chat pop-up and use email to contact me. No problem to email me, but I am curious why most ignore the chat that would help you to get FASTER answer…

His reply:
I did not click chat because it looks a bit like commercial or spam so I was careful.

One more reply from me:
What do you mean “commercial or spam” ?? Since I sell stuff I can call it commercial, but SPAM… what?!

Days later, a visitor using the chat said contrary…
[14:58] Visitor: I was searching sth about HDB
[14:59] Visitor: and I found you collect quite a lot of information about that
[14:59] Visitor: and I cannot see any commercial purpose from you .. so I am a bit curious … about YOU 😀
[14:59] Teoalida: I was sure that you were looking for HDB
[14:59] Teoalida: But can I know exact google search?
[15:00] Teoalida: to understand how do you landed in About me page instead of in any page about HDB?
[15:00] Teoalida: Commercial purpose? what do you mean?
[15:01] Teoalida: someone emailed me saying that I looks commercial
[15:02] Visitor: the first page I landed is “HDB history”
We talked for 15 min and he went away without explaining what did mean with commercial…

I am confused! What does mean commercial? I am commercial or not?

BAD indian customers

I am writing this page to inform all architecture students and professionals (and not only) what they should expect from Indian customers.

Architecture is a difficult job to be done online, with many customers coming for free consultation and not interested in paying complete service, but Indian people are by far, the WORST customers, having NO RESPECT for architects and aggressively requesting custom house plans that they are not willing to pay for. This makes almost impossible to get a paying customer in India (also nearby countries, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc).

See also: Good Indian customers

Suggestions welcome (how to deal with Indians)… especially suggestions from other Indians!

Given by numerios bad experiences with indians, what I should do?

Keep wasting 30 minutes with each person, offer consultation and floor plan sketch for FREE, who wants more should PAY. Maybe out of 100 people, 1 will pay for a full project.
Ask $50 BEFORE doing any sketch. PAY or go away, don’t waste my time! (there is UNLIKELY to get a paying customer in this way, people do not pay in advance)
Don’t reply to anyone on chat or email coming from India, or reply that I don’t offer services for India. We all know, Indians NEVER PAY, does not worth wasting time with 100 people to get 1 paying customer.
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Bad Indian customers in architecture

When building a house in India, paying a professional architect is NOT common. Most people browse internet taking floor plans from various websites for free and try to adapt to their needs. Some people do pay architects, who are offering cheap services but only a simple floor plan rather than a complete project, many details, including steel structure, plumbing and electrical system, are decided during construction, resulting in numerous construction flaws.

People from all over the world respect architects, they check our portfolio (past designs, samples) and DO NOT disturb us until they are ready to pay for a custom design (except for quick consultation or questions about payment). BUT NOT INDIANS!

Many Indians contact every website they visit, if they see option to leave comments, they leave a comment, if they see a live chat box, they send a message. Doing this without reading what services we provide and that they may cost money. Indians also make requests on multiple websites, and when I am ready to help them, they no longer need my help. Indians often request things on websites that do not offer the things they request. For example I had Indian visitors who accidentally landed in Singapore HDB Flat Types (page that DO NOT state anything about offering architectural design services at request basis) and jumping in chat asking me for floor plans for a house they intended to build in India. I have seen real estate websites from various countries, that provide information and NOT architectural design services, filled up with Indian comments like “I need a 3BHK house plan X by Y feet, please email me at…“.

This behavior create a high number of leads from India that do not convert into paying customers. A pain in the ass for any business offering services online!

I can tell this from my personal experience, on my House Design page, I get from India 20% traffic and 40% chats, in 2015 over 100 Indians used chat and ONLY 1 paid my service and only after annoying me for 2 weeks asking daily revisions (for comparison, in other countries 1 of 10 pay, sometimes in advance).

Between 2012-2015 I had a lot more free time than today, so I was doing for every customer a quick sketch according his requirements, then discuss price for complete project. A strategy that turned successful in getting paying customers in various countries, but NOT IN INDIA. Informing people that I am making a sketch and send them in 20 min, the Indians were quitting chat if I was silent for 3 minutes. They could have browsed my past designs meantime, but no… they came just to ask and not able to give them a ready-made floor plan immediately made them to quit chat.

I asked in chat their contact email where to send sketch in case they leave chat, I sent sketch and 80% never replied. In case of messages left during night, I reply via email to everyone and Indians 90% never replied back, compared with 50% reply rate in other countries (probably they asked on multiple websites and by the time I came at computer, they found what they wanted elsewhere and no longer need my help).

I noticed that, when Indians request a house plan at specific requirements, some are NOT interested in my service to design a custom house plan, thus I can simply give them link to any plan, no matter if it is one of my designs for past customers or one found online, even giving a single-floor house when they ask specifically for a two-floor house (or vice-versa) make them to say “thank you” or simply quit chat, so I avoid wasting time making a custom plan for someone NOT interested (if you aren’t interested in my services you should just browse available plans in Google Image Search and DON’T disturb architects!).

But usually answering Indians and giving link to one plan makes them to request another plan and another, since each customer is unique, none of my past designs is suitable so I need to design a custom plan, a job for which I charge money. Many Indians quit the chat when I quote a price. Some Indians aggressively request me to design a custom house plan that suits their requirements, free of charge, disturbing me from working for other, paying customers.

Making a custom floor plan takes 20 min a schematic plan with only walls and furniture, usually 1 hour to make accurately, but can stretch on few days if customers ask many revisions.

Out of all Indians messaging me, ONLY 10% are willing to pay an architect. They promise payment, but ask a free sketch first, once sketch is done they delay payment and ask changes, then invent various excuses to not pay (mom died, dad lost the job, bank don’t give loan, etc) or simply stop replying. Refusing to make changes in sketch before getting paid made some Indians to insult me for “wasting their time” and not sending final sketch, when actually THEY are wasting MY time from working for paying customers in other countries (these idiots thinks that I am their personal slave obligated to serve for free? They don’t understand that I am a business having many customers paying?).

A possible explanation is that PayPal and credit cards are not widespread in India. Many people do not have any means to make online payments or simply do not trust paying people online (but is this an excuse to WASTE architects time?).

Several architects from various countries, that collaborated with me, told me that are also pissed off by emails from Indian clients asking for house plans for free, and choose to ignore all requests coming from India and suggested me doing the same. Other people suggested to charge a small deposit ($10) before doing anything, but I am in doubt if anyone will be willing to pay in advance, and if they pay, they probably will hang with me daily until their project is complete for a very low price that does not worth my time.

Solution: QUIT ARCHITECTURE, FUCK IT, too many bad experiences and low payments, not just in India. Since 2016 I wrote “I no longer offer architectural design services“, and guess what, serious and paying customers from other countries no longer contact me, but Indians keep contacting me requesting floor plans for free.

Top bad indian customers:

  • 2014-04-02 – wasted me 1 hour then said “there is no condition for paying”.
  • 2015-08-31 – I refused to do his project for 6 USD and he wanted to destroy my website.
  • 2016-07-28 – wasted me 1 hour because could not explain project requirements clearly, then said that $200 is too high.
  • 2017-12-16 – wasted my time and insulted me because I charge money for service.
  • 2018-06-03 – contacting me for 3 days requesting aggressively to do his project for 14 USD even if I told him to go to someone else and not disturb me unless he can pay my standard fee of 100 USD.

Plus the chats shown below. And these are just selected examples, out of total few hundreds people who wasted time chatting requesting a service but never paid.

Bad Indian customers in IT/databases

I created and sell a couple of databases, especially in automobile industry, and I get lots of messages from Indians who are not checking what kind of data I am selling and disturb me asking for things that I am NOT selling. For example I had some Car Databases for Europe and America and many Indians asked me if I have or can create a similar car database for India, for a very low price. For long time I refused doing this.

In August 2015 I learned web scraping and created Indian Car Database, even more Indians started contacting me asking for databases of Indian bikes, trucks, buses, as well as random questions about cars unrelated with products I am selling. About 20% of Indians ask me for database of car owners with email and phone number. OK, I created 3 additional databases for bikes, trucks and buses, but in case of car owners, I have no idea how to collect such info, this is personal information illegal to distribute, but Indians love email/SMS spamming.

Some Indians are actually interested in what I am selling, they ask questions about source of data, update frequency, payment methods, etc (questions that their answer is on website specially to not disturb me, but stupid Indians don’t read and love disturbing me), then attempt to bargain and negotiate price, offering $10-20 for what I am selling for $100+, saying that are students or startups with low budget, effectively wasting my time chatting. People from Europe and America who are students or who cannot pay my prices for whatever reason, do not disturb me.

Per total, sales of Indian car database are 1/10 of sales of American car database despite that website traffic from India is almost as high like traffic from US. Only 1 of 20 Indian leads convert into a sale, compared with 1 of 3 in Europe and America.

I created a database of mobile phone DEVICES and I am getting disturbed by Indians that do not check what I am selling, they ask me for database of mobile phone NUMBERS.


For your info:
Email marketing is legal when you make a website and allow people to subscribe themselves to your promotional offers. But if you buy a “list of emails” from somewhere else and send emails to all without having their consent to receive your promotional offers, is no longer legal, this is called SPAMMING. People are likely to report you for spam and nobody will ever receive your emails in Inbox.

Contacting me without being interested in my design services is ANNOYING!

Example of visitor messaging me and after sending link to a pre-made house plan, even one with 3 floors, when he ask for 2 floors, he say THANKS and quit, I offered the service of designing a new plan according his requirements, but he is not interested.
The GOOD part is that I wasted only 8 minutes with him.
the BAD part is that this is happening again and again with various people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc.

I am really ANNOYED by such people!!!

I gave him 2 links to existing sample houses, he keep asking my help, I offer to design a new house plan, he say OK to wait 20 min… and while designing he QUIT!

Chat started on Monday, January 26, 2015 9:56:01 PM
Counrty: India
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/

(9:56:01 PM) *** Visitor has joined the chat ***
(9:56:05 PM) chat support – teoalida.com: Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(9:56:39 PM) Visitor: yes
(9:56:45 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(9:56:52 PM) Teoalida: so..?
(9:57:49 PM) Visitor: 40 by 50 feet my plot i want 3 room 1 kichen
(9:58:27 PM) Teoalida: something similar with https://www.teoalida.com/design/Terraced-House-25x40ft.png ?
(9:58:36 PM) Teoalida: 2 bedrooms + living + kitchen?
(9:58:46 PM) Teoalida: and bungalow… not attached to property line?
(9:59:29 PM) Visitor: but i want me 3 bed room?
(9:59:46 PM) Teoalida: and perhaps 2 bathroom too?
(10:00:47 PM) Teoalida: And are you interested in detailed construction drawings (fully-dimensioned floor plan, elevation, section, 3D design, what else is needed?)… or just looking for floor plan ideas?
(10:01:12 PM) Visitor: ok
(10:01:54 PM) Teoalida: OK what?
(10:02:47 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/design/Square-Houses.png vs https://www.teoalida.com/design/Bungalow-House-93sqm.png … which do you like more?
(10:02:48 PM) Visitor: i mins yes
(10:03:33 PM) Visitor: thanks
(10:03:44 PM) Teoalida: Thanks? so this was all what you needed?
(10:03:53 PM) Teoalida: I though…. that you are interested to design a new house for you
(10:11:02 PM) Visitor: 40 ft.widh and 50 ft long my plot size
(10:11:17 PM) Teoalida: 12x15m
(10:11:24 PM) Teoalida: and you need to keep 5 feet open space all around?
(10:11:37 PM) Visitor: yes
(10:12:10 PM) Teoalida: can you wait 20 min to modify a plan until fits your land size?
(10:12:26 PM) Visitor: ok
(10:12:30 PM) Teoalida: and after this plan are you interested in a complete project?
(10:16:28 PM) *** Visitor has left ***

Ask help and never reply back! So ANNOYING!

Contrary with the above case, the following visitor kept my website opened for at least 96 minutes, and probably had other websites opened too, this explain why his first message is only at 37 minutes after my greeting, then forgot me and never replied.  I wonder… did he saw my sketch before leaving website? or I wasted 20 minutes drawing it?

Again, I suspect that these people browse multiple websites, solicit my services for NO REASON, then they find a suitable floor plan elsewhere so no longer needed anything for me =  WASTED TIME.

Chat started on Friday, July 25, 2014 6:50:41 PM
Country: India, Region: Maharashtra, City: Mumbai
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/

(6:50:41 PM) *** Visitor has joined the chat ***
(6:50:48 PM) customer service – teoalida.com (trigger): Hello from website admin! Here I also offer architecture ideas and design services… can I help you with anything? Just drop here a message!
(7:27:15 PM) Visitor: Hi I just saw this website and wanted to he your advice in planning my house, built up area 8mtrs x 11mtrs, I am looking for a 1+2 with a garage and open terrace. can you please advise me what type of a house should I built in this area. Thanks in advance
(7:27:41 PM) Teoalida: 1+2 bedrooms?
(7:27:41 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:27:56 PM) Teoalida: 2 floors?
(7:28:08 PM) Teoalida: that land is quite small
(7:28:09 PM) Visitor: yes two floors
(7:29:11 PM) Teoalida: Like this? http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8462/housetinyfloorplan.png
(7:29:20 PM) Teoalida: or give me 20 min to design one specially for you
(7:29:36 PM) Teoalida: do you need an advice = floor plan ideas… or also fully-detailed drawings for contractors?
(7:29:43 PM) Visitor: gr + 1st flr 8mtrs x 11 mtrs
(7:30:41 PM) Visitor: fully detailed drawings or a floor plan
(7:31:43 PM) Teoalida: great
(7:31:50 PM) Teoalida: let me make a simple plan first
(7:34:28 PM) Teoalida: can you leave an email address in case you disconnect?
(7:40:20 PM) Teoalida: I will send you in 10 minutes
(7:48:54 PM) Teoalida: Are you still there? went AFK or in another tab?
(7:49:04 PM) Teoalida: here is my drawing https://www.teoalida.com/design/sketches/8x11m.PNG
(7:49:15 PM) Teoalida: waiting for your comments
(8:26:15 PM) *** Visitor has left ***

LOL at this indian

Chat started on Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:26:21 PM
(9:07:59 PM) Teoalida: And how much would you pay for a fully-dimesioned floorplan
(9:08:48 PM) Visitor: Rs 7000/- for local archtect
(9:09:12 PM) Teoalida: hmm?
(9:09:18 PM) Teoalida: do you pay me or only him?
(9:09:27 PM) Teoalida: and 7000 rupees = 120 USD looks dubious cheap
(9:09:46 PM) Visitor: yaa
(9:10:17 PM) Visitor: work force is quite cheap in india
(9:10:45 PM) Teoalida: I guess so, but didn’t expected so cheap
(9:10:54 PM) Teoalida: well… actually I asked how much do you pay for MY service?

He solicit a free sketch from me, and ADMIT that is paying someone else for the full project. And I suspect that other people who I dealt with, did the same. Why I need to waste time with such people?

Indian with NO ethics aggressively demanding FREE services

2 January 2015, I done “first sketch”, he asked for revision, I revised and asked what should include in final project, trying to negotiate a price, he asked another contradictory revision, meantime I went to dinner, another customer contacted me, etc. I told him that I am giving him a day to decide and come back tomorrow, but he started threatening me that will go to another designer if I do not revise now and send “final floor plan” for free, promising to pay $50 for 3D design. I tried to explain that is not obligation to serve for free, he said that do not trust paying because I can take money and do not send the work (I have a website + live chat, if he still do not trust me, how I can trust him that he will pay?), but if he insist to have it revised for free, just BE PATIENT 30 min to serve another customer. Now started messaging me very fast, insulting me that I am unprofessional, that I wasted him entire day, that I talked 4 hours and designed only 30 min, that I spend time on other things, that my job is to frustrate him, and ragequit.
Luckily, other customer didn’t quit because I replied with delay due to the above idiot messaging me non-stop.

Being nice (unlike him), after finished other customer, I did requested revision and emailed him:

I attach there 1 more sketch risking to steal it and never hear again from you
I’m sorry if you stayed at computer 4 hours non-stop waiting for me. You could leave chat and come back later, I was sending the sketch via email when I had time.
For your info: I wasted ONLY 1 HOUR with you because other 3 hours I worked for other 2 customers. Now I am frustrated too for time spent for you instead of other customers!
Indeed, I am unprofessional, I am sorry if this is why you do not TRUST me. Probably many do not trust me and this is why I get few paying customers. So how I can give trust?
Feel free to go to a professional company, do note that professionals companies charge you 50% of agreed price BEFORE doing any sketch. Would you TRUST them? Let me WARN YOU: if you don’t like their sketch you need to pay another 50% for a second sketch, then you change your mind and have to pay another 50% for revision, then pay rest of 50% to get final drawing. You end paying 200% of initial agreed price.
I do sketches for FREE as long I have nothing else to do. I told you that I am BUSY because holidays bring me a record number of customers. Instead of appreciating that I wasted my time helping you for FREE, you insult me for wasting your time. How professional is YOUR attitude?
I imagine how much time you are going to waste over next days looking for someone offering design services FREE OF CHARGE. Because you don’t trust paying anyone online?
Please keep me informed if you ever find a professional serving you for FREE or how much do you pay him!

(the above rows are just half of email). No reply received, not even a “thank you” or “sorry for taking your time”.

On website there was a clear warning, but he is BLIND:
Please do not solicit me to spend too much time revising sketches, if you do not intend to pay (for construction drawings).
This FREE offer will end when the workload will be full or if too many people abuse it!

On chat I told him workload is full during holidays. But he is a fucking idiot treating me like his family members slaves, available 24/7 to serve him for FREE, instead of a businessman dealing with multiple people at time.

A rare PAYING indian… annoyed me for 2 weeks to pay $40

He wanted a house with 2 bedooms on ground floor and two 1-bedroom units for rental on upper floor, on a very small 25x50ft lot, which is from start a very difficult project, and if that was not hard enough, he wanted to be Vastu-compliant. I made a free sketch and he asked about to revise it, he was talking about payment all time, insisted to revise it and will pay me, I told him to make a test payment of $10 to show that he does have Paypal account (Paypal is not popular in India), he paid me $1 in 3rd day.

Following days he visited my website and opened the chat daily, chatting for 2-4 hours every day asking for revisions. He asked to add a 3rd bedroom, complained X but changing it, he would complain about Y and Z, and so on. I told him that I made the best possible layout, no house follow 100% Vastu rules, he should accept a compromise. I revised and sent him 3 times then ignored his requests and worked at my other projects, answering his questions only occasionally.

Some days he attempted to pretend to be a new customer hoping to get a new free sketch. One day he said that no longer like west-facing and have exchanged with someone else east-facing lot which is 1 feet wider ft and INSISTED to make a new FREE sketch because “I never gave him a 26×50 ft sketch” despite that my terms say 1 FREE sketch per person, not per lot, revisions are for PAYING customers only, and his $1 payment don’t count.

I copy-pasted my procedure of service 3 times and also link to this customer telling me to  revise the sketch only after getting half of payment, but he was too idiot to understand.

He saying that have paid part of payment ($1) and kept promising that will pay full $50 price if I revise according his needs (despite that should have charged him $200 for all time he wasted me).

One day I done one more revision, next day surprise, he paid me $40 (at 2 weeks since initial contact), but he didn’t stopped to contact me every day and waste time which I could use for other, higher-paying customers. He asked now 3D design too (and elevations and sections) promising to pay $50 more, despite that the price would have been $300, I made a little 3D design but he didn’t liked it… I imagine how long he would annoy me until next payment. I gave him the DWG files so he can edit himself and told him to go to another designer who accept this type of annoying customers!

He complained about my unprofessional attitude. Yes is unprofessional, but HAD TO get rid of him. Other projects came meantime and got busier than at the moment he contacted me first time.

Conclusion: Indians DOES PAY if are satisfied, but if I knew how much takes to satisfy him I would have NOT made any free sketch to attract him, I would simply let him to go to other designer!

He told me that have asked other designers as well, and don’t like them because they “work offline” referring at the fact that don’t have chat service to talk with designer while he is working. I do the same, many customers I are greet via chat then we talk for few minutes, they tell house requirements then I send the house via email and continue without chatting. Why does THIS INDIAN need to chat all time? Very ANNOYING!

He is requesting a house design, but actually he do not want to design a house for him, he rather wanted to…

Note: this chat happened in 2012, in 5th day of using Zopim chat service, due to misconfiguration, the chat window did not showed in which page he is looking. Also in 2012 I was not expecting that such cases will become a NORM with indian customers.

Monday, 4 Jun, 2012
[21:47] Teoalida (trigger): Hello from website admin. Can I help you with anything? Click here to chat with me!
[21:50] Visitor: i am looking for a house design 40 ft width and 60ft length with 5 beds
[21:51] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[21:51] Teoalida: Did my house designs match you?
[21:51] Teoalida (trigger): Hello from website admin. Can I help you with anything? Reply here to chat with me!
[21:52] Teoalida: I can do custom designs too
[21:52] Visitor: let me see
[21:53] Teoalida: Is not necessary to be so big
[21:53] Teoalida: or that’s your LAND size?
[21:53] Visitor: its my land size
[21:54] Teoalida: So how much can be used for house?
[21:54] Teoalida: is required any setbacks from lot limits?
[21:54] Visitor: all
[21:55] Visitor: no
[21:55] Teoalida: You can build a huge house on that
[21:56] Teoalida: Give an opinion about my Narrow Bungalow
[21:56] Teoalida: or Semi-detached luxury
[21:56] Teoalida: I think that for you is necessary a more squarish house
[21:57] Visitor: semi delicated
[21:58] Teoalida: Should include parking lots or garage? There’s more details to discuss before designing
[21:58] Teoalida: Waiting for an opinion about my existing designs
[22:01] Teoalida:
[22:01] Visitor: it should be double story 2 cars can be park
[22:01] Teoalida: 2 cars parked in front or in garage?
[22:02] Visitor: in front
[22:02] Teoalida: What is on neighbor lots? I guess that you don’t want to have window towards neighbor plain wall
[22:04] Teoalida: C’mon give me an opinion
[22:04] Teoalida: saw this? http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9081/narrowbungalow.png
[22:04] Visitor: i have no neighbur i own the land arround it
[22:04] Teoalida: oh lol
[22:05] Visitor: not much
[22:05] Teoalida: I can imagine…. 4 bedrooms on upper floor and 1 on lower floor
[22:05] Teoalida: maybe L-shaped to have space for cars
[22:05] Teoalida: and wider floorplan and larger rooms since you have a lot of land
[22:06] Teoalida: any comments?
[22:06] Visitor: no 2 beds on gr floor 3 on 1st floor
[22:07] Teoalida: I don’t think that the living and kitchen can be fit under 1 bedroom
[22:08] Visitor: under one bed or two
[22:08] Teoalida: or I can make living room tall on both floors
[22:09] Visitor: ok
[22:09] Teoalida: I can make 3D design too after more discussing about details, if you want
[22:10] Visitor: ok
[22:10] Teoalida: can you add me in messenger or give me an e-mail?
[22:11] Teoalida: Otherwise I will lose you once you leave from here
[22:13] Visitor: dont u have any plan right now
[22:14] Teoalida: Where are you looking?
[22:15] Visitor: i think home page
[22:15] Teoalida: “dont u have any plan right now” how you ask me to design a custom house without seeing my current house plans?
[22:15] Teoalida: see House Design page
[22:17] Teoalida: oh lol
[22:18] Teoalida: I though that you look in http://teoalida.webs.com/housedesign.htm
[22:19] Teoalida: And I wait an opinion about these BEFORE doing any custom design for you
[22:20] Visitor 1179572645 has left the conversation

 

What I though that happened: though that he is looking in the page with House Plans where at top of page was this announcement “I can do custom house design for anyone in the world!” and that is why he contacted me requesting a house design, this is why I asked an opinion about “narrow bungalow”, I even started editing a house plan at 22:08 intending to design a custom house FOR HIM.

What actually happened (and realized later): he was looking in this page with Apartment plans from Singapore, and requested a house plan without being aware that the page he was looking in did NOT stated that I am providing any service, and the fact that I provide service was a coincidence….

Cases like above one repeated few times but ONLY with indians. This gave hypotesys that indians love to ASK / REQUEST a floor plan even if they need just a house plan that can be found in Google Images… and not interested in my design services.

This guy visit a page about Singapore and ask about India

Another proof that Indian people ASK questions without reading what the website is. He visit a page about housing in Singapore and ask me what is the size of apartment in India. Only by COINCIDENCE I also work in architecture and offered him a service, but he quit the chat.

Chat started on Monday, September 07, 2015 7:07:13 PM
LOCATION: United Arab Emirates
PAGE URL: https://www.teoalida.com/singapore/hdbflattypes/

(7:07:13 PM) *** Visitor has joined the chat ***
(7:07:17 PM) Teoalida: Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(7:08:09 PM) Visitor: What is the area required to build a 4 bedroom apartment?
(7:08:16 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:08:25 PM) Teoalida: from 80 sqm in Hong Kong and 200+ sqm in America
(7:08:43 PM) Visitor: how bout in india
(7:08:53 PM) Teoalida: here is about 150 sqm
(7:10:31 PM) Teoalida: 2-bedroom 80 sqm, 3-bedroom 110 sqm, 4-bedroom 150 sqm… typical size in India for middle-class housing
(7:11:16 PM) Visitor: So 100x100sqt ft would be enough/
(7:11:51 PM) Teoalida: 100-100sqt is your land area to build a block with 4-room apartments?
(7:11:58 PM) Visitor: yes’
(7:12:02 PM) Teoalida: ft, not sqft
(7:12:08 PM) Teoalida: 100×100 ft is about 30x30m
(7:12:25 PM) Visitor: ok
(7:12:38 PM) Teoalida: which is enough to fit this block https://www.teoalida.com/design/Square-Large-floorplan.png
(7:12:49 PM) Teoalida: BTW, what are you looking for in Singapore HDB Flat Types page?
(7:13:02 PM) Teoalida: how the Singapore page is related with what are you asking about India?
(7:13:21 PM) Teoalida: as coincidence, I also design buildings… but I guess that you were not aware of. Are you interested in working with me?
(7:14:01 PM) Visitor: can i get a plan for 4 BHK
(7:14:20 PM) Teoalida: The above link is showing 4-bedroom apartments
(7:14:24 PM) Visitor: ok
(7:16:16 PM) Teoalida: Look in https://www.teoalida.com/design/apartmentplans/ for more of my projects
(7:16:33 PM) Teoalida: which is your favorite of these apartments? http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5763/5roomapartments.png
(7:23:05 PM) Teoalida: ?
(7:30:03 PM) *** Visitor has left ***

Funniest Indian customer

He visited me only website home page and immediately contacted me, typical for people who know me or were told by a friend to contact me. There is not clear what he is looking for: dating girls, architecture drawing services or he want just sample drawings…
He do not provide the project details (land Length × Width + number of rooms), but instead he is asking a series of FUNNY questions then quit.

Chat started on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00:51 PM
Country: Saudi Arabia
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/

(6:00:51 PM) *** Visitor 80330393 has joined the chat ***
(6:00:52 PM) Visitor: hi
(6:01:00 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(6:01:05 PM) Teoalida: Hello
(6:01:56 PM) Visitor: how r u.?
(6:02:23 PM) Teoalida: fine, why do you ask?
(6:03:23 PM) Visitor: are you male or female..?
(6:03:54 PM) Teoalida: What are you really looking for?
(6:04:15 PM) Visitor: a girl.
(6:04:28 PM) Teoalida: Collecting personal info or dating?
(6:04:55 PM) Teoalida: Most people who contact me, they contact for housing-related enquiries
(6:06:10 PM) Visitor: yeah me just i was joking

(6:06:23 PM) Teoalida: Yes I see that you were joking
(6:06:59 PM) Visitor: actual i searching section detail.
(6:07:04 PM) Visitor: do u know.?
(6:07:05 PM) Teoalida: Perhaps you’re someone who know me so you were in mood for joking… we talked before? are you one of people for which I designed a house plan?
(6:08:43 PM) Visitor: bro i wanna know about the home elevation and section detail.
(6:08:58 PM) Visitor: im very serious now..
(6:09:09 PM) Teoalida: I talk each month with 10+ new people from Middle East, 70% of them being from Philippines… are you one of people who talked before?
(6:09:33 PM) Teoalida: Elevation and section I design AFTER floor plan
(6:10:38 PM) Teoalida: I sent sketchy floor plans to many people telling them to return at me if they need detailed floor plan, elevation and section… who are you? Tell me your email
(6:11:17 PM) Visitor: ok can u give me some stair case detail.
(6:12:15 PM) Visitor: im road designer . i wanna know about building structural.
(6:12:35 PM) Teoalida: in which country do you build?
(6:13:05 PM) Visitor: india.
(6:14:33 PM) Visitor: are you there.??
(6:14:40 PM) Teoalida: yes, but confused
(6:15:17 PM) Visitor: why bro.?
(6:16:14 PM) Visitor: do u have any doubt from me.?
(6:16:15 PM) Teoalida: Are you a NEW customer? The way you are talking looks like a returning customer but I have no idea who are you.
(6:17:38 PM) Visitor: no im fresher . i told u i was searching about structural.
(6:18:08 PM) Teoalida: do you have a floor plan? or tell me land dimensions and number of rooms… so I can make a floor plan for you?
(6:20:08 PM) Visitor: oh really thank you teoalida
(6:20:19 PM) Visitor: where are you from.?
(6:20:31 PM) Visitor: may i know about you.?
(6:21:20 PM) Teoalida: maybe yes… or maybe is better to let the personal info for later. First let me know how I can help you
(6:22:30 PM) Visitor: great. ok i have land 248 m²
(6:22:53 PM) Visitor: so i have to build a duplex villa.
(6:23:59 PM) Teoalida: I had several cases when people asked things about me, I answered their questions and they immediately quit without telling me what they actually wanted from me
(6:24:01 PM) Teoalida: how many rooms?
(6:31:45 PM) Teoalida: are you still there?
(6:49:45 PM) Visitor: so you should tell about you are self.?
(6:50:16 PM) Visitor: ok i want g+1 home
(6:53:10 PM) *** Visitor has left ***

I wanted to design a quick sketch for him, THEN I was answering any questions he would ask about me (bearing the risk of stopping replying after he see that I am not indian.

Offline messages

I get tons of messages from Indians during morning, most short and meaningless, I reply to everyone but 80% never reply back.

Offline Message left on 15 Sep 2014, 10:01 AM (GMT+0)
give me a house map advice in 55 sqm

My reply: As written on website YOU NEED to provide land length and width and number of bedrooms wanted (at least), then depending by these data I may ask you how many floors, open kitchen or separate room, if carpark is necessary, etc. By giving me just 55 sqm how I can advise you?

No further reply from him.

Other funny cases

Why I did not disclosed where I live to the above customer? Because of the following cases:
I don’t know if this fall under definition of RACISM or they just want to work only with local people.



Another indian asking confusing questions instead of telling me what he wants.

Chatting with website visitors

Zopim live chatSince this is a personal-portfolio website, I always wanted to interact with visitors, to exchange knowledge, make new friends with similar interests and get feedback about my works and products. I put comment widgets at bottom of each page and a forum, but took months to get several comments and still did not understand what kind of people are visiting me and what they are looking for, to make products that suits market needs and offer various services.

I never knew that this is possible to chat directly with visitors, until…

In a day of January 2012 I visited the website of a real estate agent, which was using SnapEngage chat widget to catch customers. That was the first time I talked with a human directly on browser, and first time I believed that is a robot too. After few messages I realized that is a human. Then I made mistake to reply every time he was greeting me without being aware that greetings are not from him but automatic and replying at them made he to say “feel free to browse my website but please don’t disturb me with messages”.

I installed SnapEngage on my website too, but its limit of 30 chats per month in free plan was a problem. Since May 2012 I switched on Zopim because it do not limit number of chats in free account. These chat software helped me to get customers contacting me for my services and I started making money. I upgraded to a paid plan Zopim in August 2016.

Is this the first time you visit a website with live chat? Probably you are not browsing internet enough… there are over 200.000 websites using Zopim alone, possible over 1 million websites using various other chat services, most commonly the websites selling products or services.

SnapEngage vs Zopim review

SnapEngage free plan is limited to 30 chats per month for FREE accounts, which was theoretically enough for my small website with just 100 daily visitors, BUT I was facing a problem with stupid people who send me a message, disconnect from chat then send messages again, depleting the monthly quota quite fast (this was also aggravated by SnapEngage’s lack of minimize button, people tend to close the window to free up screen space, without realizing that they disconnect from chat and will be impossible to answer them, then if they had more questions they were starting another chat).

Website traffic was rising so I started looking for alternatives, and since May 2012 I moved to Zopim. Free plans were limited at 2 simultaneous chats instead of 30 chats per month. In August 2012 Zopim announced a makeover of their service, limiting the free accounts to 1 chat at time and disabling the proactive greetings for free accounts, so I upgraded to a paid plan. I could afford it because meantime website turned money-making.

In paying plans, both services do not limit number of chats, but taking in consideration the features, Zopim is better although more expensive.

Here is the review of both services from my personal experience:

SnapEngage doesn’t allow me to manually start a chat with a certain visitor, I can only set a proactive message on all pages (or different message on certain pages, at different delays). To talk with a visitor, is necessary the visitor to reply when the chat pop-up (automatic greeting) or to open chat by himself and send you a message.
Zopim have a dashboard showing visitor list, I can even manually send custom messages to visitors, but most time I don’t have time to watch the visitors list, so I rely on the automatic greeting.

SnapEngage chat window is bigger and many people tends to close the window. Some people asked me help and closed the window in 3 seconds without being aware that this disconnect from chat, I could no longer answer them and I lost potential customers.
Zopim chat window have a minimize button rather than a close button, they can click it to free screen space without disconnecting from chat, I can still send messages to visitors as long as they are on my website.

SnapEngage allow different greetings depending by visitor page (free and paid accounts).
Zopim allow different greetings based by visitor country, number of visits, google search strings, etc (paid accounts only).
Zopim can auto-respond if no human responded in certain time, with a nice message for example “The human probably is busy or out of office for some minutes, please leave us a message with your email address and we will contact you” but from my personal experience, 90% left website without leaving an email.
None of them can read what visitor type and give replies based by certain keywords. But probably nobody would like robot answers.

SnapEngage have cookie-based ban, I can ban annoying visitors only while chatting, then anyone can unban itself by deleting cookies. This proved a big issue when I had an idiot sending me stupid messages and disconnecting faster than I could ban him, especially because SnapEngage free accounts are limited at 30 chats per month.
Zopim have IP banning, I can ban any IP anytime.

SnapEngage have two unique features over Zopim, but in my personal experience, both proved useless:
– Redirecting visitors to another page – a browser change without their intervention made people to quickly click back and leave website. Is better to give them a link to click it manually.
– Taking screenshot of visitor page – works only if visitors manually click ALLOW when the yellow bar appear, 90% do not click allow.

Another advantage of Zopim is that if offers unlimited chats per month for free accounts, the single limitation is 2 chats in same time, while SnapEngage is limited to 30 chats per month. I had taken measures to reduce quota waste, such as making pop-up at 10 min for the pages which are not relate
For business, Zopim also have better prices, for example $39 for 5 agents, compared with SnapEngage $49 for 4 agents. Zopim changed, increased the prices since 9 August 2012, now is priced above competitor services.

But I strongly recommend Zopim! No other chat service can beat Zopim in terms of features!

Other chat software: JivoChat, LiveChatInc Live2supportOlark.comPureChat, and few more. I am NOT planning to test and review them. Feel free to compare prices and test yourself if you want.

How I know who is who?

One returning visitor asked me this question.
If you are outside of Singapore, I can guess that you are, because when someone start a chat I can see his country.
As 2014, website traffic is about 800 daily visitors of which 500 are from Singapore, identifying if you are a new or returning visitor, may be possible by IP, operating system, pages visited, cookie, etc, but is a waste of time and effort to try this. So I treat every chat request anonymously as a new visitor, if you are a returning visitor I appreciate if you specify this.

A problematic situation is when I am contacted in a short time by multiple students from same school, multiple employees from same company, etc… these people don’t just share SAME IP range, but they are likely to visit SAME page of website and talk about SAME thing! I though that all chats were by a single person, so I continued the conversation started by someone, in other chat windows, until someone said “I have no idea what are you talking about“! and realized that there are multiple people.

Chatting with website visitors is often funny!

Most people ignore the chat at all, some understand how it works and we had serious chat, while others asked me “Is this automated?” or “Are you a fucking robot?” or just saying “no thanks”, “fuck off”, etc.

See https://www.teoalida.com/chat/

Many people ask questions about real estate, some wondered what kind of person I am to offer consultation full-time and FREE – I don’t chat full-time, I am working, playing games, etc, and meantime helping 5-10 people per day is not disturbing.

These 12-year old kids saw the published funny chats and one probably thought that (hard to explain) is someway my job / my needs to chat all time, that the website is made solo for chatting and publishing the chats, calling all his friends to chat with me for no reason, VERY ANNOYING! They told me to publish more chats, but actually I start regretting that I published these few “funny chats”.
This chat should be used for professional purposes, NOT be used because you are bored and want to chat with someone…

Disclaimer: I publish anonymously, only few of the chats leading to nothing, and worth for laugh.
The published chats are less than 1% of total number of chats had per year. Serious chats will be kept confidential.
Disclaimer added after someone accused me “when you publish any chat, people know you might publish their chat. Might make them uncomfortable contacting you
Some people ignore the chat thinking that is a robot, publishing just few chats examples shows that the chat is real, thus they might contact me too.

Ask help and run away!

Disclaimer: I publish ONLY few of the chats leading to nothing, and worth for laugh. Serious chats with people turning into customers will be kept confidential. Funniest parts in RED!
Disclaimer added after someone accused me “when you publish any chat, people know you might publish their chat. Might make them uncomfortable contacting you
Some people ignore the chat thinking that is a robot, publishing just few chats examples shows that the chat is real, thus they might contact me too.

Note: Please don’t consider these cases as lost customers or failure in customer services. Most of these people not interested in  my services, but just browsing multiple websites for ideas and free house plans. They may have found something better in another website and forgot me. But some of them are still funny how they asked for help from me then run away….

Best example!

That’s crazy, you are saying “yes please” then quit?
Does my messages made him angry or something?

Friday, 8 Nov, 2013
Country: Saudi Arabia
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/world/philippines/
[1:37] (trigger): Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, just drop here a message!
[1:38] customer service @ teoalida.com (trigger): Hello from website admin! Here I also offer ideas and design services… can I help you with anything? Just drop here a message!
[1:39] Visitor: mgkano pa design ng 1 storey house
[1:40] Visitor: 2 bedrooms
[1:40] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[1:40] Teoalida: but can you speak only english?
[1:40] Visitor: 40 square meter
[1:40] Teoalida: give me length and width of land?
[1:41] Visitor: im not sure
[1:41] Teoalida: hmm…
[1:41] Teoalida: you bough land without knowing dimensions?
[1:42] Visitor: but i just want to build a 40squre meter house
[1:42] Teoalida: anyway, 40 sqm doesn’t seems enough for 2 bedrooms ON ONE FLOOR
[1:42] Teoalida: this fit in 4x10m land https://www.teoalida.com/design/Philippines-Tiny-House-floorplan.png
[1:43] Teoalida: but on single floor DON’T FIT https://www.teoalida.com/design/Philippines-Terraced-2-bedroom-floorplan.png
[1:43] Teoalida: do you need detailed construction drawings? fully-dimensioned, elevation, etc
[1:45] Visitor: yes
[1:45] Visitor: pls
[1:46] Teoalida: I can do detailed drawings too after clarifying all stuff

[1:46] Teoalida: so far looks an impossible project
[1:48] Teoalida: or… would you agree to violate the rule of 6 sqm minimal bedroom size?
[1:49] Visitor has left the conversation

One of the FUNNIEST customers

Ask a question and quit!

Don’t run away, I want to help you for FREE!

The pictured case happened on 31 December.
36 days later, on 5 February 2013 another american asked me same thing, this one explained me exactly how to recompile the database… one row for each model year instead of one row per model. I spent several days and created the Year-Make-Model Car Database, which currently generate several sales per month! Sweet!
By this way I realized that the guy from above photo wanted exactly same thing, which is also the TYPICAL format for american car market. But he ran away in a very FUNNY way instead of explaining what he wants!

Why do you ask for a house plan, if you leave the chat?

How I can design a customized house FOR HIM if I do not know HIS land size?

He visited me twice, 2 consecutive days, both times he quit right when I asked about land size.
I checked visitor list, he was looking in the page with floor plans of Singapore’s HDB apartments (single-floor) so I understand why he ask me for “floor plans with second floor”, BUT…

Monday, 11 Mar, 2013
Country: Philippines
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/
[16:00] Visitor: hello.good evening.. can i ask you a favor?
[16:00] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[16:00] Teoalida: yes
[16:01] Visitor: can you give me a link of floor plans with second foor?thank you.
[16:01] Teoalida: Do you mean 2-storey houses? see www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans
[16:01] * Visitor is now viewing https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/ *
[16:02] Teoalida: 20 houses in various size here…
[16:02] Visitor: is there any other link than this mam/ sir?
[16:02] Teoalida: Do you not like something?
[16:04] Teoalida: Better, just give me land size and how many bedrooms do you want and I design something specially for you
[16:04] Visitor: i would like to have four rooms.
[16:06] Teoalida: … and land size?
[16:14] Visitor: ofcourse.
[16:15] Teoalida: Without land size I can’t design… you can pick from the page, which is your favorite layout?
[16:16] Visitor has left the conversation

Tuesday, 12 Mar, 2013
Country: Philippines
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/
[15:02] Visitor: goodevening..
[15:02] Visitor: can i ask a favor?
[15:02] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[15:02] Teoalida: Why not?
[15:02] Visitor: please give me a link about floor plans with second floors?
[15:02] Teoalida: are you same person which I talked yesterday?
[15:03] Teoalida: I told you… www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans THERE ARE 20 house projects, more than half are 2-floor
[15:03] Visitor: yes.i’m sorry if i’m not able to leave my goodbye cause i’m in a hurry..
[15:03] * Visitor is now viewing https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/ *
[15:04] Visitor: thank you very much..i’ll talk to you later.. 🙂
[15:04] Teoalida: Or give me land size and I will design a custom house plan specially for you
[15:06] Teoalida: now looking in chat history… you left right after I asked you how big is your land
[15:08] Visitor has left the conversation

Ask help and run away before helping you!

I don’t understand why he solicited my help then ran away. Did I said anything bad?
Or, by looking at the time of each message, I guess that he was browsing multiple sites and found somewhere else… what?

Sunday, 21 Apr, 2013
Country: Iran, Islamic Republic of
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/world/
[22:55] Teoalida (trigger): Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, just drop here a message!
[22:57] Visitor: Hello i want plan of residential.can u help me?
[22:57] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[22:57] Teoalida: Obviously… I design buildings
[22:59] Teoalida: Do you have land size and other requirements?
[23:01] Teoalida: ?
[23:04] Visitor: there is 15000 m
[23:05] Teoalida: 15000 square meters?
[23:06] Teoalida: Are you building an apartment complex?
[23:08] Visitor: No its clustered housing
[23:09] Teoalida: oohh
[23:09] Teoalida: How many units do you think that can fit here?
[23:11] Teoalida: Then I can help you to optimize layouts and fit even more units!
[23:11] Visitor has left the conversation

Ask help, run away and lose a FREE offer!

According visitors list, he clicked only the “2-bedroom single-storey semi-detached” house, which is 6 x 10 meters.
Probably saw that none of houses posted on website have LESS than 2 bedrooms, so quitted website instead of giving me land size to design a new plan…. I could do in 10 min for FREE.

Tuesday, 7 May, 2013
Country: Philippines
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/
[10:40] Teoalida customer service (trigger): Hello from website admin! Here I also offer ideas and design services… how I can help you?
[10:41] Visitor: im jst looling a house design for 50 sq mtr land area
[10:41] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[10:41] Teoalida: hmm what are the dimensions?
[10:41] Visitor: 16×24
[10:42] Teoalida: what is that? I ask dimensions of land
[10:42] Teoalida: 5×10 and 4×12.5 meters change design radically
[10:42] Visitor: yes
[10:42] Teoalida: http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx336/Teoalida/Design/Philippines-Terraced-3-bedroom-floorplan.png
[10:43] Teoalida: Please clarify land size if you want to make a design specially for you
[10:43] Visitor: i want only 1 floor n 1 bedroom
[10:44] Visitor has left the conversation

Ask for help, don’t answer my questions and run away

Chat started on Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:15:52 PM

(6:15:52 PM) *** Visitor 60319679 has joined the chat ***
(6:15:56 PM) chat support – teoalida.com: Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(6:17:08 PM) Visitor 60319679 has changed their email address to [email protected]
(6:17:08 PM) Visitor 60319679 is now known as Rohit raj.
(6:17:17 PM) Rohit raj: hello
(6:17:25 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(6:17:27 PM) Teoalida: what’s up
(6:17:33 PM) Rohit raj: fien
(6:17:35 PM) Rohit raj: fine
(6:17:58 PM) Rohit raj: sir do you know Hindi
(6:18:10 PM) Teoalida: language? no
(6:18:31 PM) Rohit raj: my english is poor
(6:18:42 PM) Rohit raj: i speak hindi
(6:19:22 PM) Teoalida: you aren’t the worst english speaker I met
(6:20:00 PM) Rohit raj: I am an Indian cause i
(6:20:17 PM) Teoalida: and what do you need more exactly? how I can help?
(6:20:20 PM) Rohit raj: I am an Indian cause I don’t no english
(6:20:54 PM) Rohit raj: deasing the house
(6:21:43 PM) Teoalida: tell me land dimensions and how many rooms do you want?
(6:21:51 PM) Teoalida: but also… how much do you pay for this service?
(6:23:25 PM) Rohit raj: In ground floor 2 rooms 1 kitchen, Bathroom and A Place of a car parking…
(6:26:32 PM) Rohit raj commented: “thanks for the chat”
(6:26:33 PM) *** Rohit raj has left ***

I asked him 3 questions, he answer just one, then probably quit because he tired of waiting 3 minutes to see a reply from me, when actually I was waiting FOR HIM TO REPLY rest of questions.

Anyway… indian, probably was looking for free services, not intending to pay anything.

This guy ask for a floorplan but is not even telling details

Chat started on Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:23:02 PM
Country: Saudi Arabia
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/

(12:23:02 PM) *** Visitor 89575709 has joined the chat ***
(12:23:02 PM) Visitor 89575709: give a floor plan which 15 meters front open
(12:23:20 PM) Visitor 89575709: by the way the lot area is 900sqm
(12:23:23 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(12:23:26 PM) Teoalida: how many rooms do you need?
(12:25:32 PM) Visitor 89575709: can you give me a drawing which the lot are is 15 meters is front open and the lot area is 900sqm.
(12:26:20 PM) Teoalida: if yo want to GIVE you a ready-made plan… https://www.teoalida.com/design/Square-House-floorplan.png is 10m wide and will leave 2.5m empty space on both sides
(12:26:43 PM) Teoalida: but what could be better for you than a house designed specially for you?
(12:28:15 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/design/House-for-Lithuania.png 12 meters wide and leave 1.5m empty space
(12:35:04 PM) *** Visitor 89575709 has left ***

Why did you said OK and ran away?

Country: India
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/

Chat started on Monday, December 04, 2017 9:47:51 PM

(9:47:51 PM) *** Visitor 57576010 has joined the chat ***
(9:47:51 PM) Visitor 57576010: HI
(9:48:01 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(9:48:02 PM) Teoalida: hello
(9:48:28 PM) Visitor 57576010: ARE YOU A DESIGNER
(9:48:33 PM) Teoalida: yes
(9:48:44 PM) Teoalida: all what you see on website is designed by me
(9:48:45 PM) Visitor 57576010: WHERE ARE YOU FROM
(9:49:02 PM) Teoalida: so how I can help you?
(9:49:12 PM) Visitor 57576010: OK
(9:49:48 PM) *** Visitor 57576010 has left ***

Ask for help but not answering for 20 min?

Chat started on Monday, December 18, 2017 2:05:01 PM
Country: Netherlands
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/

(2:05:01 PM) *** Visitor 11250743 has joined the chat ***
(2:05:01 PM) Visitor 11250743: hi
(2:05:06 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(2:05:08 PM) Teoalida: hello
(2:05:28 PM) Visitor 11250743: how areyou
(2:05:34 PM) Teoalida: fine, why?
(2:05:37 PM) Teoalida: how I can help you?
(2:06:43 PM) Visitor 11250743: im am planining to build a two story two bedroom apartmets
(2:07:23 PM) Teoalida: do you build in Netherlands?
(2:07:41 PM) Visitor 11250743: no
(2:08:31 PM) Visitor 11250743: i live in te Netherlands but i will build on St Maarten
(2:09:10 PM) Teoalida: Caribbean sea…. interesting
(2:09:19 PM) Visitor 11250743: yes
(2:10:19 PM) Visitor 11250743: we just had a bad hurricane past over and everthing is flat
(2:11:02 PM) Visitor 11250743: need to start building back up
(2:11:39 PM) Teoalida: Just read this on Wikipedia
(2:12:06 PM) Teoalida: well… if I have time I can help you with a custom design
(2:12:42 PM) Visitor 11250743: that will be good
(2:13:37 PM) Visitor 11250743: i realy neet to start as soon as posabble
(2:14:12 PM) Teoalida: tell me more details about your project, land dimensions, etc
(2:35:01 PM) *** Visitor 11250743 has left ***

He don’t tell me project details but choose to say FUCK YOU?

Country: Ethiopia
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/apartmentplans/

Chat started on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 5:31:07 PM

(5:31:07 PM) *** Visitor 26882084 has joined the chat ***
(5:31:07 PM) Visitor 26882084: hi
(5:31:14 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(5:31:15 PM) Teoalida: hello
(5:31:22 PM) Visitor 26882084: hello
(5:31:42 PM) Visitor 26882084: what can help u
(5:31:54 PM) Teoalida: what are you looking for?
(5:33:43 PM) Visitor 26882084: pls send me 1 bed room,2 bed room,3 bed room condominium house plan
(5:33:53 PM) Visitor 26882084: pls send me 1 bed room,2 bed room,3 bed room condominium house plan
(5:34:10 PM) Teoalida: can you tell me land dimensions and what do you build there? houses or apartments?
(5:34:11 PM) Visitor 26882084: pls send me 1 bed room,2 bed room,3 bed room condominium house plan
(5:34:36 PM) Visitor 26882084: pls send me 1 bed room,2 bed room,3 bed room condominium house plan
(5:35:16 PM) Visitor 26882084: send me condominium
(5:35:25 PM) Visitor 26882084: send me condominium
(5:35:58 PM) Visitor 26882084: plan
(5:36:32 PM) Teoalida: explain your project in detail
(5:36:33 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/#custom
(5:38:12 PM) Visitor 26882084: 10q your advise
(5:39:50 PM) Teoalida: if you can’t speak english properly I can’t help you…. moreover as stated on website architecture is NO LONGER my primary job and won’t do new projects (unless is a special case)
(5:47:15 PM) Visitor 26882084: fuck you
(6:00:01 PM) *** Visitor 26882084 has left ***

Can’t explain clearly

Country: Kenya
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/

Chat started on Monday, January 29, 2018 9:09:32 AM

(9:09:32 AM) *** Visitor 86699423 has joined the chat ***
(9:09:32 AM) Visitor 86699423: Hello, seen Home for Shwan
(9:09:41 AM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(9:09:45 AM) Teoalida: and…?
(9:09:47 AM) Visitor 86699423: It is a great design
(9:09:54 AM) Visitor 86699423: I like it
(9:10:03 AM) Visitor 86699423: Now to my mind
(9:12:49 AM) Visitor 86699423: Can it be customized to a 6 family housing complex of 2 bed roomed each and fit in a studio complex on each floor.
(9:13:53 AM) Teoalida: this means making a new project… nothing from Shwan house can be use
(9:14:09 AM) Teoalida: 2 bedroom or studio? what do you mean?
(9:14:36 AM) Visitor 86699423: it is family housing complex
(9:14:53 AM) Visitor 86699423: 2 houses and a studio on each floor
(9:15:19 AM) Teoalida: 2 floors, 3 apartments per floor?
(9:16:57 AM) Visitor 86699423: 3 floors, 2-2bedrooms houses, and a studio in between
(9:17:21 AM) Teoalida: 2 studios on ground floor and 4 apartments with 2 bedrooms?
(9:18:40 AM) *** Visitor 86699423 has left ***

Why do you quit?

Country: Bangladesh
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/

Chat started on Tuesday, March 06, 2018 10:31:41 PM

(10:31:41 PM) *** Visitor 48623409 has joined the chat ***
(10:31:43 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… if you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(10:32:41 PM) Visitor 48623409: Hi is Ali her
(10:32:54 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(10:32:58 PM) Teoalida: what’s up
(10:33:35 PM) Visitor 48623409: do you have any thing in Bangladesh ?
(10:33:48 PM) Teoalida: which thing are you referring to?
(10:34:48 PM) Visitor 48623409: building house
(10:35:00 PM) Teoalida: tell me project details
(10:35:05 PM) Teoalida: land dimensions, number of rooms, etc
(10:35:44 PM) Teoalida: if it can be done QUICKLY I will help you…. otherwise no because I am busy with bigger projects
(10:37:03 PM) Visitor 48623409: I have 40/40 f land in Building house
(10:38:09 PM) *** Visitor 48623409 has left ***

Does my SAMPLE disappointed you

Country: Liberia
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/

Chat started on Saturday, April 14, 2018 7:43:26 PM

(7:43:26 PM) *** Visitor 2731206 has joined the chat ***
(7:43:28 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… may I know what are you looking for? If you need any help, drop here a message!
(7:46:18 PM) Visitor 2731206: two bedroom with a sunken livingroom
(7:46:32 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:46:33 PM) Teoalida: ?
(7:46:56 PM) Teoalida: do you want to design a custom house plan for you?
(7:47:43 PM) Visitor 2731206: i want it done in autocad
(7:48:54 PM) Visitor 2731206: sent me sample of a custom house plan
(7:49:16 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/design/Sample-floor-plan.pdf
(7:51:18 PM) Visitor 2731206: ok
(7:52:54 PM) *** Visitor 2731206 has left ***

Why do you quit chat after you were looking for jobs and I could give outsource you some job

Country: India
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/papertocad/

Chat started on Monday, January 14, 2019 7:26:29 PM

(7:26:29 PM) *** Visitor 78406310 has joined the chat ***
(7:26:30 PM) Visitor 78406310: HI
(7:26:35 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:26:36 PM) Teoalida: hello
(7:27:17 PM) Visitor 78406310: are you providing and cad drafting outsource job
(7:27:42 PM) Teoalida: do you have a project for me or do you want to outsource my projects to you?
(7:27:56 PM) Visitor 78406310: i want to outsouce
(7:28:18 PM) Visitor 78406310: i am freelancer
(7:28:27 PM) Teoalida: so you want to work for me
(7:28:33 PM) Teoalida: what are you experienced in/
(7:28:34 PM) Visitor 78406310: yes sir
(7:28:56 PM) Visitor 78406310: i can do all type of drafting
(7:29:09 PM) Visitor 78406310: like cad conversion
(7:29:17 PM) Visitor 78406310: sketch to cad
(7:29:49 PM) Visitor 78406310: if you need i can do sample
(7:30:01 PM) Teoalida: in 2018 been contacted by 3 people from India saying that wants to work for me in CAD design, I talked with them and all 3 experience is limited to paper to CAD conversion. I don’t need to hire such people. I need to hire architects
(7:30:24 PM) Visitor 78406310: ok
(7:30:31 PM) Teoalida: who can design a building from imagination and met customers requirements, without any reference plan
(7:30:52 PM) Teoalida: this is what I have done myself between 2008 and 2016
(7:30:58 PM) Teoalida: since 2017 I outsource
(7:31:39 PM) Visitor 78406310: i can do drafting cost @4$ per hrs ok any way no problem
(7:31:40 PM) Teoalida: www.teoalida.com/design/housing
(7:34:52 PM) *** Visitor 78406310 has left ***

Why you quit and not make a deal

Country: United Arab Emirates
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/database/phones/

Chat started on Saturday, March 02, 2019 3:05:01 PM

(3:05:01 PM) *** Visitor 36324325 has joined the chat ***
(3:05:01 PM) Visitor 36324325: hi
(3:05:08 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(3:05:09 PM) Teoalida: hello
(3:05:17 PM) Visitor 36324325: how re you
(3:06:01 PM) Visitor 36324325: pleas tell me all mobiles 2018 model list send for me
(3:06:43 PM) Teoalida: I can filter my database to display only models launched in 2018-present
(3:06:54 PM) Teoalida: but older models are still available in shops
(3:07:23 PM) Visitor 36324325: ok thanks
(3:07:50 PM) Teoalida: so what is your choice?
(3:08:12 PM) *** Visitor 36324325 has left ***

He don’t understand me?

Country: Finland
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/housing/

Chat started on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 9:49:37 PM

(9:49:37 PM) *** Visitor 49417154 has joined the chat ***
(9:49:39 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hello visitor from Finland, what are you looking for? If you need any help or just want to talk about what is on my website, drop here a message!
(9:50:19 PM) Visitor 49417154: Hi good evening 😊
(9:50:27 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(9:50:30 PM) Teoalida: what’s up
(9:51:05 PM) Visitor 49417154: Was checking on how to build an apartment
(9:52:37 PM) Visitor 49417154: I want to do some business in Africa
(9:52:42 PM) Teoalida: do you need architectural design services?
(9:52:58 PM) Visitor 49417154: Am in to apartments
(9:53:34 PM) Visitor 49417154: No I don’t have any
(9:55:30 PM) Visitor 49417154: I don’t know of any architectural design service
(9:56:04 PM) Teoalida: I am asking if you need MY help in architectural design
(9:56:40 PM) Visitor 49417154: Yes I do and will be very happy if you help
(9:58:16 PM) Teoalida: tell me land dimensions and project details
(9:59:53 PM) Visitor 49417154: It 2plots of land and close to a school
(10:03:28 PM) Teoalida: I need length and width of your land, or send me site plan, and tell how many floors, apartments per floor and rooms per apartment do you need… https://www.teoalida.com/design/apartmentplans/
(10:06:20 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/design/architecture/
(10:34:27 PM) *** Visitor 49417154 has left ***

Why do you offer me something then quit chat after I tell you my country? Do you hate Singaporeans?

Country: India
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/database/phonenumbers/

Chat started on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:26:34 PM

(10:26:34 PM) *** Visitor 1264832 has joined the chat ***
(10:26:36 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hello visitor from India, are you looking for a specific database? Let me know if I can help you!
(10:27:05 PM) Visitor 1264832: I want to sell database
(10:27:15 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(10:27:28 PM) Teoalida: usually people contact me to buy databases from me, what are you selling?
(10:27:47 PM) Visitor 1264832: Because i have lots of data
(10:28:00 PM) Visitor 1264832: With 95% accuracy
(10:28:53 PM) Visitor 1264832: I can give you at a very good price
(10:29:17 PM) Teoalida: can you explain more exactly what data are you selling?
(10:29:20 PM) Teoalida: or send me a sample
(10:29:36 PM) Teoalida: myself have about 80 databases of which half sold for money and rest free
(10:30:21 PM) Visitor 1264832: I have data for students stockholders investors and many more
(10:31:41 PM) Visitor 1264832: I would consist of Name,Phone number,Address, location
(10:32:26 PM) Teoalida: once time ago someone also asked me if I can create database for stock markets… but I have ZERO experience in this
(10:32:57 PM) Visitor 1264832: Where are you from
(10:34:08 PM) Teoalida: Singapore
(10:34:41 PM) *** Visitor 1264832 has left ***

Some people hate chat pop-up

I use a chat widget on my website since January 2012. In average 8-10 people message me every day, 3000 per year, I helped lots of people thanks to this chat widget, and in a day of 2014 someone thinks that the chat widget invade his privacy… probably he will never visit my website again!


Chat started on Monday, June 16, 2014 1:37:05 PM
Country: Singapore
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/

(1:37:05 PM) *** Visitor has joined the chat ***
(1:37:09 PM) chat support @ teoalida.com: Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(1:38:16 PM) Visitor: what is this ? invading internet privacy ?
(1:38:34 PM) Teoalida: LOL?
(1:38:34 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(1:38:53 PM) Visitor: how to remove this chat window out of my screen please ?
(1:38:54 PM) Teoalida: This is the way for admins to talk with visitors
(1:39:04 PM) Teoalida: for companies to talk with customers
(1:39:12 PM) Visitor: visitors do no like to be disturbed.
(1:39:22 PM) Teoalida: You never visited any website with chat box before?!
(1:39:32 PM) Visitor: this is terrible
(1:39:56 PM) *** Visitor has left ***
(1:40:02 PM) Teoalida: Some visitors may need my help, some are really interested in my services, this is why I greet everyone. Just ignore the chat window if you don’t need my help
(1:40:02 PM) *** You are not in a chat ***


Chat started on Sunday, May 15, 2016 7:36:19 PM
Country: France
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/games/caesar3/

(7:36:19 PM) *** Visitor has joined the chat ***
(7:36:21 PM) teoalida: Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(7:36:51 PM) Visitor: could you shut your trap and let me naviguate in peace ?
(7:36:59 PM) Visitor: please
(7:37:10 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:37:16 PM) Teoalida: just minimize the chat if you don’t need me
(7:37:25 PM) Teoalida: it it configured to pop-up at everyone
(7:37:29 PM) Teoalida: can’t stop it just for you
(7:38:06 PM) *** Visitor has left ***


Country: United Kingdom
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/thesims/worlds/

Chat started on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 7:48:41 PM

(7:48:41 PM) *** Visitor 44836736 has joined the chat ***
(7:48:43 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hello visitor from United Kingdom, welcome to my The Sims fan page… if you need any help or just want to chat, drop here a message!
(7:51:40 PM) Visitor 44836736: please go away 🙂
(7:51:59 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:52:05 PM) Teoalida: if you don’t need any help, just don’t message me
(7:52:20 PM) Teoalida: I wouldn’t have been aware that you’re here unless you message me
(7:52:31 PM) Visitor 44836736 has rated the chat Bad
(7:53:17 PM) Teoalida: greeting appear automatically, messaging me will make me to go to computer to see who contact me, while I may be doing something else
(7:53:35 PM) Visitor 44836736: sorry
(7:54:24 PM) *** Visitor 44836736 has left ***

How people reach when they see a website chat for first time

See below how people react when they see my live chat box, if they don’t know that there is a HUMAN at other end of chat.

See how chatting with website visitors works. The only robot/automatic message is the initial greeting that I configured to appear after 1-5 min delay depending by page. There is no automatic reply system. Any answer you get is written by a human.

Some complained about the system with greetings, BUT… if this greeting would not pop-up, most visitors do not realize that there is a “live help” available, 90% of chats are started to this automatic greeting, only 10% of chats the visitor send me messages by his own. There is possible to send messages manually, but who does have time to watch visitors list and do this? Even if I do, they are mostly ignored like automatic ones.
The funniest cases are when the visitor send me stupid messages without such greeting to appear.

Do you have any suggestion how to deal with such people?

Talking for 5 min and still believing that he is talking with a ROBOT?

This was one of the first FUNNY people I came across. I added chatbox (SnapEngage) in January 2012 and switched to Zopim Chat on 30 May 2012. At the time he contacted me (23 and 24 May 2012) I had just about 100-200 people who contacted me so far)

23 May 2012:
Website address: http://teoalida.webs.com/thesims2.htm
Chat transcript:
(14:08:20)  Teoalida Hello, as the website admin, I made this chat to can talk with visitors … Do you enjoy my website or have any questions? Reply here to start a live chat with me!
(14:08:20)  Visitor Hello.
(14:08:38)  Visitor Are you alive?

He closed chat window in 20 sec, faster that I could answer

24 May 2012:
Website address: http://teoalida.webs.com/thesims2.htm

Chat transcript:
(16:23:41) Teoalida Hello, I am not a robot, I am the website admin, I made this chat to can talk with Visitors … How I can help you? Do you have any questions? Reply here to start a live chat with me!
(16:23:41) Visitor Is this thing automated?
(16:23:51) Visitor Hello?
(16:23:55) Teoalida What to be automated?
(16:24:06) Visitor Are you a real person?
(16:24:12) Teoalida What do you think?
(16:24:19) Teoalida C’mon test me
(16:24:32) Visitor What is your hair color?
(16:24:44) Teoalida black, why matters that?
(16:25:12) Visitor How black is it? Pure black or with a slight grayish tint to it?
(16:25:30) Teoalida aka brunette
(16:26:01) Visitor How often do you log in?
(16:26:12) Teoalida where to log in?
(16:26:21) Teoalida I am online every evening
(16:26:25) Visitor How often do you use the computer? Do you sleep?
(16:26:34) Teoalida But what is all this…
(16:26:43) Teoalida How old are you?
(16:26:55) Teoalida Are you still believe that you talk with a robot?
(16:27:27) Visitor An artifically intelligent robot.
(16:27:53) Teoalida Visitors of all other pages talk with me normally…. only Visitors of Gaming-related pages ignore the chat pop-up or behave crazy
Live chat transcript times in GMT.

He disconnected while I was typing, explaining him how the chat works. Maybe I shall give a link, to check www.snapengage.com, maybe he would understand.

I posted a screenshot of above conversation in Chatting with website visitors page as example of idiot calling me robot.

On 3 November 2012, a random visitor talking crazy, he set same name like me and repeat my message. He called me NO-LIFER that sits at computer 24/24 just because he visited me 3 times in American morning when is evening at me so I am always home and online. So, who visit my website when I am online call me no-lifer, who visit my website while during my sleep hours, may not believe that someone WILL be ever online! Dear idiots, please visit me in morning, evening and night, before saying that I sit at computer 24/24.

Then BIG SURPRISE, he said that that the screenshot posted in Chatting with website visitors is actually him!

Saturday, 3 Nov, 2012
Landing page:
http://teoalida.webs.com/thesims2funnychat.htm
[20:24] Teoalida: Hello from website admin, if you need any help or just want to chat, reply here!
[20:24] Visitor: This chatbox is so annoying…
[20:25] Visitor is now known as Teoalida
[20:25] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[20:25] Teoalida: my one?
[20:25] Visitor Teoalida: Yes.
[20:25] Teoalida: or the chat published in this page
[20:25] Visitor Teoalida: or the chat published in this page
[20:25] Teoalida: You can minimize it if don’t need me
[20:25] Visitor Teoalida: You can minimize it if don’t need me
[20:26] Teoalida: It seems as if Teoalida spends 100% of his/her time on the computer, non-stop, everyday. I wonder if Teoalida has a life outside the computer life.
[20:27] Teoalida: btw, why do you set same name like me?
[20:27] Visitor Teoalida: I don’t know.
[20:27] Teoalida: What proof do you have that my life is o computer?
[20:27] Teoalida: Just because my website shows the virtual life?
[20:27] Teoalida: Want to see me with friends? go on Facebook
[20:28] Teoalida: btw… new website www.teoalida.com/category/thesims2
[20:28] Visitor Teoalida: Well, let me see. Every time I visit this website, I see this little pop-up chatbox that says that Teoalida is ready to chat with you. It’s kind of freaky.
[20:28] Teoalida: because that’s how it works http://teoalida.webs.com/apps/blog/entries/show/16354975-chatting-with-website-visitors
[20:29] Teoalida: I can send you a message only after you send me one
[20:29] Teoalida: without that greeting, people would not send me any message
[20:30] Visitor Teoalida: I see.
[20:30] Teoalida: What I could do?
[20:30] Visitor Teoalida: “Is this automated?” LOL. XD
[20:30] Visitor Teoalida: “Are you a fucking robot?” XD LOLOLOL.
[20:31] Teoalida: that happens with kids
[20:32] Teoalida: Every time I visit this website, I see this little pop-up chatbox <— EVERY time? I see that this is your first visit
[20:33] Teoalida: and if you visit my website in evening you no longer see me online because I go to sleep
[20:33] Visitor Teoalida: Haha! I can’t believe you actually posted a screenshot of my conversation with you! I’m actually the person who had a conversation with you and you posted this screenshot under “Funny-stupid chat with an idiot”.
[20:34] Teoalida: Sorry but I can’t know who are you
[20:34] Teoalida: all what I see is that you had just 1 website visits (current one)
[20:35] Visitor Teoalida: I was using a public computer. 😛
[20:35] Teoalida: Are you any of the people who talked with me in the past?
[20:35] Visitor Teoalida: Still, you must SIT at your computer.
[20:35] Visitor Teoalida: Yes.
[20:36] Teoalida: Tell me something about what we talked, otherwise I can’t remember
[20:36] Visitor Teoalida: I asked you what hair color you have.
[20:36] Visitor Teoalida: You replied black.
[20:37] Teoalida: if in this century, computers are the workplace for most people… what is your proposal?
[20:37] Teoalida: Really? you are THAT person?
[20:37] Teoalida: That times I was using SnapEngage, now I found that Zopim is better
[20:37] Visitor Teoalida: I see.
[20:37] Teoalida: different chat service, can’t track visitors of past one
[20:38] Teoalida: If you didn’t closed SnapEngage window in that moment, you maybe would understand how this works
[20:39] Teoalida: That’s why I use Zopim…. closing chat window do not disconnect from chat
[20:39] Visitor Teoalida has left the conversation

I regret that I did not told him “Hey, do you ever heard of SMARTPHONES? We no longer need to sit at computer to be online!

Other cases

Wednesday, 25 Jul, 2012
Country: Singapore
[20:28] Teoalida (trigger): Hello from website admin. If you need any help or wanna chat, ask me here!
[20:29] Visitor: hi
[20:29] Visitor: is this for real?
[20:29] Visitor: lol
[20:29] Visitor has left the conversation


Friday, 7 Dec, 2012
Country: France
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/games/caesar3/
[17:30] Teoalida (trigger): Hello from website admin! Can I help you with anything? drop here a message!
[17:31] Visitor: huh ?
[17:31] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[17:31] Teoalida: What’s up?
[17:32] Visitor: real human or bot ? ^^
[17:33] Visitor: anyway, just reading stuff about caesar3
[17:33] Teoalida: Test me and you will see if I am human
[17:34] Visitor: haha, how did you fix the “No one is living nearby” problem ?
[17:34] Teoalida: I said that I fixed it?
[17:34] Teoalida: It is one of most annoying unsolvable problems
(chat continued for next 30 min)


Tuesday, 18 Dec, 2012
Country: Finland
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/thesims2/lots/home-alone-house/
[18:42] Teoalida (trigger): Hello from website admin! Can I help you with anything? drop here a message!
[18:42] Visitor: 4 real?
[18:43] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[18:43] Teoalida: Test me and you will see
[18:43] Visitor has left the conversation


Sunday, 27 Jan, 2013
[14:48] Teoalida (trigger): Hello from website admin! Can I help you with anything? drop here a message!
[14:52] Teoalida (trigger): Hello from website admin! If you have questions, suggestions, or just wanna chat, I am here!
[14:54] Visitor: are you a robot ?
[14:54] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[14:54] Teoalida: What do you think?
[14:54] Teoalida: Test me
[14:54] Visitor: no, you were typing …
[14:54] Visitor: robot cannot type 😀
[14:54] Visitor: you are real person!
[14:54] Teoalida: LOL
[14:54] Visitor: am i right ?
[14:56] Teoalida: is possible to configure a robot to show “is typing a message” for several seconds
(serious chat – confidentiality given!)
[15:52] Visitor has left the conversation


Thursday, 22 Nov, 2012
Country: Greece
Page URL: http://teoalida.webs.com/housedesign.htm
[19:46] Customer service (trigger): Hi there! I offer ideas and design services, can I help you with anything?
[19:46] Visitor: wher r u born
[19:46] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[19:46] Teoalida: *******, what importance have? I work worldwide!
[19:49] Teoalida: ?
[19:55] Teoalida: www.teoalida.webs.com/myhome.htm if you don’t believe
[19:55 Teoalida: What are you looking for? I don’t understand these visitors who ask me where I live then no answer
[19:55] Visitor: are the a free plans
[19:56] Teoalida: Both free and paid
[19:57] Visitor: im checkin if thes is real chat systm
[19:58] Teoalida: lol
[19:58] Teoalida: obviously real
[19:58] Teoalida: see how it is working http://teoalida.webs.com/apps/blog/entries/show/16354975-chatting-with-website-visitors
[20:38] Visitor has left the conversation

[23:45] Customer service (trigger): Hi there! I offer ideas and design services, can I help you with anything?
[23:46] Visitor: hi i know thet u real im looking for a free plans
(chat continued for next 2 hours)


Saturday, 24 Aug, 2013
[10:11]  : Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, just drop here a message!
[10:11] Visitor 33745135: ? this real?
[10:11] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[10:11] Teoalida: what to be real?
[10:11] Visitor 33745135: like as in, are you a bot?
[10:11] Teoalida: What do you think! test me!
[10:12] Visitor 33745135: Tell me about Caesar 3
[10:12] Teoalida: what I should tell? ask more specifically
[10:13] Visitor 33745135: explain first what it is
[10:13] Teoalida: The game that I played until 1 year ago
[10:13] Visitor 33745135: why did you stop?
[10:13] Teoalida: because of work
[10:14] Teoalida: but this doesn’t mean that I forgot how to play it
[10:14] Teoalida: I am still expert in the game
(chat continued for 15 min)


Friday, 27 Sep, 2013
Country: French Polynesia
[12:20]  : Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, just drop here a message!
[12:20] Visitor 73317584: do you like pasta?
[12:20] Teoalida has joined the conversation
[12:20] Teoalida: What is pasta?
[12:20] Visitor 73317584: spaghetti?
[12:21] Teoalida: I don’t eat such things
[12:21] Visitor 73317584: dayum
[12:21] Visitor 73317584: fo real?
[12:21] Teoalida: Why do you ask?
[12:21] Teoalida: How is related with the website content?
[12:21] Visitor 73317584: i was just checking if there was someone or if it was just a bot writting
[12:21] Visitor 73317584: i’m still not sure
[12:22] Teoalida: oh LOL
[12:22] Teoalida: Weird way to test
[12:22] Teoalida: See www.teoalida.com/about/chatting-with-website-visitors
[12:24] Visitor 73317584: so you’re an architect or something like that?
(chat continued for 30 min)


Chat started on Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:14:41 PM
Country: Switzerland

(9:14:41 PM) *** Visitor 36760879 has joined the chat ***
(9:14:47 PM) chat support @ teoalida.com: Hello and welcome to my The Sims fan page… if you need anything or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(9:15:06 PM) Visitor 36760879: wtf is this
(9:15:17 PM) Teoalida: the website or…?
(9:15:17 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(9:15:29 PM) Visitor 36760879: no this
(9:15:29 PM) Visitor 36760879: chat
(9:15:46 PM) Teoalida: it’s a chat… you never saw a chat on a website before?
(9:16:06 PM) Visitor 36760879: so you chat with random people who visit your website?
(9:16:21 PM) Teoalida: yes!
(9:16:29 PM) Teoalida: and it’s good to get feedback about my works
(9:16:43 PM) Teoalida: and get ideas for next works
(9:16:58 PM) Visitor 36760879: well, actually was searching for some ideas for my sims 3 starter house in google,
(9:17:08 PM) Visitor 36760879: and randomly sumbled upon your site
(9:17:29 PM) Teoalida: And there’s thousands of websites, especially online shops or people offering services online… using such chats
(9:17:37 PM) Teoalida: or probably you aren’t browsing internet too much
(9:17:43 PM) Teoalida: Check this https://www.teoalida.com/about/chatting-with-website-visitors/
(9:18:05 PM) Visitor 36760879: i actually do, but never saw something like that
(9:18:09 PM) Visitor 36760879: so you are the webmaster?
(9:18:35 PM) Teoalida: Webmaster = owner of website? yeds
(9:18:37 PM) Teoalida: yes
(9:19:44 PM) *** Visitor 36760879 has left ***


Chat started on Sunday, November 16, 2014 2:35:06 PM

(2:35:06 PM) *** Visitor 26526932 has joined the chat ***
(2:35:11 PM) chat support @ teoalida.com: Hello and welcome to my The Sims fan page… if you need anything or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(2:35:46 PM) Visitor 26526932: hi
(2:36:14 PM) Teoalida: what’s up?
(2:36:14 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(2:36:49 PM) Visitor 26526932: i don’t know what i am doing here
(2:37:26 PM) Teoalida: What do you mean? what happened
(2:38:19 PM) Visitor 26526932: I am just appear. That is all I know.
(2:38:38 PM) Teoalida: What you were looking for?
(2:39:34 PM) Visitor 26526932: any meaning…, but don’t worry. Thanks for your time.
(2:39:43 PM) Teoalida: I don’t understand!!!
(2:40:07 PM) Teoalida: Are you playing The Sims? or looking for romanian parliament palace and found also my The Sims replica?
(2:40:08 PM) Visitor 26526932: I do not understand either
(2:40:18 PM) Visitor 26526932: i am a robot
(2:40:29 PM) Teoalida: You’re funny!
(2:40:35 PM) Visitor 26526932: thanks
(2:41:03 PM) Teoalida: some people thinks that the chat is a robot on my side… to clear the confusion, see https://teoalida.com/about/chatting-with-website-visitors
(2:41:29 PM) Visitor 26526932: thanks for your help, Teoalida
(2:41:34 PM) Teoalida: First time I though that you have a problem with The Sims… now I guess that you’re confused about the chat software?
(2:41:48 PM) Teoalida: but haven’t helped you with anything
(2:41:49 PM) Visitor 26526932: I am confused, right
(2:46:30 PM) Teoalida: See also https://teoalida.com/about/chatting-with-website-visitors
(2:48:30 PM) Visitor 26526932: I have to apologize
(2:48:36 PM) Teoalida: for?
(2:48:39 PM) Visitor 26526932: I thought you were a robot, sorry
(2:49:00 PM) Visitor 26526932: fantastic work, congratulations
(2:49:35 PM) Teoalida: are you referring at The Sims works or at website as whole including the chat?
(2:49:59 PM) Visitor 26526932: web site
(2:50:15 PM) Visitor 26526932: and your work in sims looks great also
(chat continued next 40 min)


Chat started on Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:53:23 PM

(6:53:23 PM) *** Visitor 45759423 has joined the chat ***
(6:53:27 PM) chat support – teoalida.com: Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(6:53:41 PM) Visitor 45759423: SEEN
(6:53:57 PM) Teoalida: ?
(6:53:57 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(6:55:10 PM) Teoalida: What are you looking for? can I help with anything?
(7:19:59 PM) *** Visitor 45759423 has left ***


Chat started on Saturday, March 26, 2016 1:06:09 AM
Country: Haiti
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/design/hdbflats/

(1:06:09 AM) *** Visitor 54909764 has joined the chat ***
(1:06:11 AM) teoalida: Hello from website admin! If you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(1:12:09 AM) Visitor 54909764: Hello teoalida
(1:12:16 AM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(1:12:16 AM) Teoalida: hi
(1:12:37 AM) Visitor 54909764: I would like to date you
(1:12:44 AM) Visitor 54909764: Are you interested ??
(1:12:56 AM) Teoalida: first… how old are you?
(1:13:06 AM) Visitor 54909764: 22 years old
(1:13:33 AM) Teoalida: quite mature… to say such funny things
(1:13:47 AM) Teoalida: how did you found my website?
(1:14:17 AM) Visitor 54909764: I wanted some ideas for a floor plan
(1:14:36 AM) Visitor 54909764: I am on my last year in Civil Engineering
(1:14:48 AM) Teoalida: That’s much better… than asking for dating
(1:15:01 AM) Visitor 54909764: Sorry
(1:15:17 AM) Visitor 54909764: I didn’t quite analyze the human aspect of it
(1:15:46 AM) Visitor 54909764: I thought you were more likely to be a bot (automated response) than an actual human
(1:16:08 AM) Teoalida: oh… that’s why
(1:16:23 AM) Visitor 54909764: Yes
(1:22:51 AM) Teoalida: So.. how I can help you? you said floorplan ideas and… nothing else?
(1:47:19 AM) *** Visitor 54909764 has left ***


Chat started on Saturday, December 24, 2016 9:54:45 PM
Country: Morocco
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/thesims/list-of-houses/

(9:54:45 PM) *** Visitor 31683726 has joined the chat ***
(9:54:47 PM) teoalida: Hi there, welcome to my The Sims fan page… if you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(9:57:47 PM) Visitor 31683726: Where can i download custom content ?
(9:58:16 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(9:58:20 PM) Teoalida: modthesims.info
(9:58:30 PM) Teoalida: on my website you will find lots and houses, no custom content
(9:59:02 PM) Visitor 31683726: And the pictures on my page ?
(9:59:43 PM) Teoalida: which pictures?
(10:00:17 PM) Visitor 31683726: Here : https://www.teoalida.com/thesims/list-of-houses/
(10:00:43 PM) Teoalida: what is the question more exactly?
(10:01:18 PM) Visitor 31683726: The pictures of the neighorhood on the link, can we download it ?
(10:02:01 PM) Teoalida: you can right click > save image as… if this is what do you want. you can also download houses one by one
(10:02:54 PM) Visitor 31683726: No my question is how to download this houses
(10:03:31 PM) Teoalida: click each house image then click green buttons FREE DOWNLOAD
(10:04:42 PM) Visitor 31683726: Ah, thank you so much but i have another question, you are robot or human ? 😀
(10:05:04 PM) Teoalida: talking for 10 min and you still don’t know?
(10:07:34 PM) Teoalida: such questions like “are you robot” usually happen after first message before any reply from me
(10:12:47 PM) Visitor 31683726: Ah you’re a customer support. So thank you so much
(10:13:11 PM) Teoalida: good… and keep browsing and downloading more houses
(10:23:15 PM) Visitor 31683726: So now we can’t download neighborhood
(10:23:51 PM) Teoalida: indeed you can’t download neighborhood with all houses
(10:24:05 PM) *** Visitor 31683726 has left ***


Chat started on Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:04:05 PM
Country: United States
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/what-is-the-source-of-data/

(7:04:05 PM) *** Visitor 63926203 has joined the chat ***
(7:04:07 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… are you looking for a specific database? you are welcome for a chat!
(7:10:02 PM) Visitor 63926203: are you a human being or bot?
(7:10:11 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:10:12 PM) Teoalida: test me
(7:10:24 PM) Visitor 63926203: tell me a joke
(7:11:12 PM) Teoalida: Can a kangaroo jump higher than a house?
(7:11:35 PM) Teoalida: Of course, a house doesn’t jump at all.
(7:12:06 PM) *** Visitor 63926203 has left ***

Stupid potential customer quit the chat without saying what he actually needs from me! He came in Car Database page which in most cases turn into customers!


Chat started on Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:02:58 PM
Country: Singapore
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/singapore/hudclist/

(7:02:58 PM) *** Visitor 8977718 has joined the chat ***
(7:03:00 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… if you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(7:04:42 PM) Visitor 8977718: nice bot
(7:04:52 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:05:05 PM) Teoalida: bot can only greet, not answer questions
(7:05:45 PM) Visitor 8977718: you must be nuts then to be answering questions at 12am
(7:06:18 PM) Teoalida: because I do business all around the world
(7:12:54 PM) *** Visitor 8977718 has left ***


Country: Serbia
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/world/northkorea/

Chat started on Friday, December 08, 2017 7:50:27 PM

(7:50:27 PM) *** Visitor 20878151 has joined the chat ***
(7:50:29 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… if you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(7:51:41 PM) Visitor 20878151: sue
(7:51:49 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:51:49 PM) Teoalida: ?
(7:52:21 PM) Visitor 20878151: are you a bot
(7:52:34 PM) Teoalida: robot greetings with human replies
(7:55:58 PM) Visitor 20878151: entertain me
(7:56:08 PM) Visitor 20878151: entertain me
(7:56:19 PM) Teoalida: what do you need from me?
(7:58:36 PM) *** Visitor 20878151 has left ***

Idiot asking a series of stupid questions before saying what he actually wants

Country: India
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/

Chat started on Monday, January 22, 2018 8:15:02 PM

(8:15:02 PM) *** Visitor 75527785 has joined the chat ***
(8:15:02 PM) Visitor 75527785: hi
(8:15:10 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:15:12 PM) Teoalida: hello
(8:15:18 PM) Visitor 75527785: who are you?
(8:15:37 PM) Teoalida: site owner obviously
(8:15:44 PM) Teoalida: why do you message me if you don’t know who I am?
(8:16:09 PM) Visitor 75527785: are you an artificial intelligence or a real person?
(8:16:16 PM) Teoalida: real of course
(8:16:20 PM) Teoalida: robots can’t answer questions
(8:16:38 PM) Visitor 75527785: ai can answer questions
(8:17:08 PM) Visitor 75527785: specifically not only robots….only an algorithm can do such things …
(8:18:24 PM) Teoalida: robots usually sent a list of predefined messages regardless of what you say… example https://www.teoalida.com/fun/danifpk9395-diariesufapoet19812007-amelia.sumbryfktg.png
(8:18:31 PM) Teoalida: anyway, how I can help you?
(8:21:05 PM) Visitor 75527785: your age?
(8:21:24 PM) Teoalida: 28, why do you ask this?
(8:21:42 PM) Visitor 75527785: prove me you are not an ai
(8:22:45 PM) Teoalida: read contact page https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/contact/
(8:24:27 PM) Visitor 75527785: yes even ai algo can do this how i can be pretty much sure that u are a biological human
(8:24:29 PM) Visitor 75527785: ?
(8:25:26 PM) Teoalida: seriously, why did you came on my website? just to test chat boxes? not interested in my services?
(8:26:16 PM) Visitor 75527785: i want a very simple data sets …very simple with two columns and 20 rows in excel
(8:26:42 PM) Teoalida: hmm, are you interested in CAR database or in what?
(8:26:45 PM) Teoalida: what data?
(8:28:09 PM) Visitor 75527785: car data…in india
(8:28:38 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/india/ ?
(8:39:57 PM) Teoalida: so if you are interested in a complete cars database you can buy from me… or if you need random data for 20 rows why you don’t create yourself a small database? or if you don’t need complete cars database but just few cars you can use my free samples
(8:40:18 PM) Visitor 75527785: ok
(9:09:59 PM) Teoalida: so what are you going to do?
(9:10:43 PM) *** Visitor 75527785 has left ***


Country: Singapore
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/singapore/hdbstatistics/

Chat started on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 4:59:47 PM

(4:59:47 PM) *** Visitor 62988148 has joined the chat ***
(4:59:49 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… if you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(5:01:34 PM) Visitor 62988148: are u human
(5:01:39 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(5:01:43 PM) Teoalida: of course, what else could be?
(5:02:00 PM) Visitor 62988148: or are u similar to siri
(5:02:29 PM) Teoalida: what is Siri?
(5:02:42 PM) Visitor 62988148: siri is a robot
(5:02:56 PM) Visitor 62988148: tell me what is 1 + 1
(5:03:00 PM) Teoalida: 2
(5:03:11 PM) Teoalida: you don’t have other things to say?
(5:03:22 PM) Teoalida: something that don’t involve math? any robot can do math
(5:03:28 PM) Visitor 62988148: okay what is me + you ?
(5:05:02 PM) Teoalida: talk on-topic or stop having fun on chats
(5:05:09 PM) *** Visitor 62988148 has left ***

Chat started on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:05:42 PM

(5:05:42 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(5:05:42 PM) *** Visitor 62988148 has joined the chat ***
(5:05:43 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/chat-2017-08-10/
(5:07:50 PM) Visitor 62988148: HAHAH sorry bro just messing around with ya, have a good day !
(5:07:58 PM) Teoalida: LOL
(5:08:40 PM) *** Visitor 62988148 has left ***

A potential customer? Instead of saying what project he wants, he messes me up with stupid questions like testing chat bots

Country: Austria
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/

Chat started on Friday, July 13, 2018 11:40:14 AM

(11:40:14 AM) *** Visitor 35496835 has joined the chat ***
(11:40:16 AM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… are you looking for a specific database? you are welcome for a chat!
(11:42:56 AM) Visitor 35496835: hey
(11:43:00 AM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(11:43:02 AM) Teoalida: what’s up
(11:43:09 AM) Visitor 35496835: are you a bot
(11:43:22 AM) Teoalida: robot can only greet visitors, any reply is human
(11:43:59 AM) Visitor 35496835: so this isnt an intelligent service
(11:44:18 AM) Teoalida: www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/contact see how it’s working
(11:44:38 AM) Visitor 35496835: whats the weather like
(11:45:06 AM) Teoalida: can you just say whatever do you need about databases and stop having fun?
(11:45:20 AM) Visitor 35496835: what is love
(11:45:38 AM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/weird-questions/
(11:45:47 AM) Visitor 35496835: sry but your bot is crap he cant even answer normal questions
(11:46:04 AM) Teoalida: I answer serious questions only
(11:46:05 AM) Visitor 35496835: bye thank you sir
(11:46:08 AM) Teoalida: see what other people have asked
(11:46:54 AM) Teoalida: chat is provided by https://chat.zendesk.com/ if you want to check it
(11:47:40 AM) Teoalida: former https://www.zopim.com/
(11:48:36 AM) Visitor 35496835: https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/contact the page doesnt load
(11:49:05 AM) Visitor 35496835: i was searching for chatbots with an integrated database
(11:49:24 AM) Teoalida: I think that whole website went down 1 min ago… wait few minutes
(11:49:32 AM) Teoalida: if you clicked link at the time I gave you, it was working
(11:49:39 AM) Teoalida: I got email from Uptime Robot that website is down
(11:49:47 AM) Visitor 35496835: but you still working – this bot isnt as bad as i thought
(11:50:08 AM) Visitor 35496835: where are you located
(11:50:18 AM) Teoalida: Romania
(11:51:52 AM) Visitor 35496835 has rated the chat Good
(11:52:16 AM) Teoalida: check links now, website is working
(11:52:38 AM) Visitor 35496835 commented: “Its a nice bot but it couldnt even make it to phase 1 of turing test”
(11:53:44 AM) Visitor 35496835: thank you sir
(11:53:54 AM) Visitor 35496835: i will find what i need
(11:54:03 AM) Visitor 35496835: even if its not the chatbot i wanted
(11:54:20 AM) Teoalida: can you stop talking about chatbots and just say what car database do you need?
(11:54:45 AM) Visitor 35496835: dont hustle
(11:54:55 AM) Visitor 35496835: i think i need
(11:55:10 AM) Visitor 35496835: a hot wheels database
(11:55:17 AM) Teoalida: You are so funny for the off-topic questions you asked, can I post your chat in https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/weird-questions/ ?
(11:56:12 AM) Visitor 35496835: of course if you can learn something from that so that you can get more complex structured
(11:56:23 AM) Teoalida: Hi,

The monitor teoalida.com (https://www.teoalida.com) is back UP (HTTP 200 – OK) (It was down for 4 minutes and 2 seconds).
(11:56:36 AM) Visitor 35496835: i know that it was down
(11:56:38 AM) Visitor 35496835: i reported it
(11:56:41 AM) Visitor 35496835: crap.
(11:56:44 AM) Visitor 35496835: bye.
(11:57:00 AM) Teoalida: why bye??
(11:57:12 AM) Teoalida: check my database samples or tell me if you want some custom work
(11:57:16 AM) Teoalida: I also offer web scraping services
(11:57:17 AM) *** Visitor 35496835 has left ***

Someone praise my artificial intelligence without realizing that I am a human

Country: Singapore
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/singapore/hdbdatabase/

Chat started on Sunday, July 22, 2018 8:51:26 AM

(8:51:26 AM) *** Visitor 4411933 has joined the chat ***
(8:51:28 AM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… are you looking for a specific database? you are welcome for a chat!
(8:51:43 AM) Visitor 4411933: thanks
(8:51:48 AM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:51:49 AM) Teoalida: for?
(8:52:11 AM) Visitor 4411933: hey sorry how many units are there in one flat in singapore
(8:52:47 AM) Teoalida: Biggest HDB block ever built:
Blk 30 Jalan Membina (built 1960s, demolished mid-1990s), 605 units of 2-Room (source: Straits Times).
(8:52:49 AM) Teoalida: Smallest HDB block:
Blk 539, 542, 545 in Pasir Ris (4 units Executive Maisonette); blk 308 in Choa Chu Kang (2 units 4-Room and 2 units 5-Room);
(8:53:54 AM) Visitor 4411933: Alright thank you !!!
(8:54:18 AM) Teoalida: Number of units is available for 10,506 blocks that were existing at least as 2010, including under construction blocks launched until November 2017 BTO. Total: 1,129,347 units, averaging 107.50 units per block.
(8:54:30 AM) Teoalida: but you shouldn’t pay attention to average due to many variations
(8:55:21 AM) Visitor 4411933: how about the number of units for latest hdb flats which has an area of 90m sqaure?
(8:55:37 AM) Teoalida: this can be seen in https://www.teoalida.com/singapore/btolist/
(8:56:52 AM) Visitor 4411933: Wow thanks !!!!! I didnt expect an AI to be that advanced
(8:57:22 AM) Teoalida: what AI?
(8:57:35 AM) Teoalida: www.teoalida.com/about/contact
(8:57:51 AM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/chatting-with-website-visitors/
(8:58:27 AM) Visitor 4411933: ohhhhhhhh wait you are human …omg soryy anyway thx sir/maam..i thought you were artificial intelligence..
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Dumb questions?

Country: United States
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/thesims/helluva-hacienda/

Chat started on Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:24:36 PM

(5:24:36 PM) *** Visitor 77010849 has joined the chat ***
(5:24:38 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there, welcome to my The Sims fan page… if you need any help or just want to chat, drop here a message!
(5:28:24 PM) Visitor 77010849: Why did you create this webdite
(5:28:32 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(5:28:39 PM) Teoalida: to share my works with everyone
(5:29:00 PM) Visitor 77010849: When did the first Sims come out … ?
(5:29:10 PM) Teoalida: and when I say WORKS I am not referring only at The Sims games… see www.teoalida.com/about/aboutme
(5:29:17 PM) Teoalida: Sims 1 in 2000
(5:29:50 PM) Visitor 77010849: What time is it … ?
(5:30:06 PM) Teoalida: 17:30 PM here, why do you ask dumb questions?
(5:30:12 PM) Visitor 77010849: Seeing if your real …
(5:30:19 PM) Visitor 77010849: And there not Dumb
(5:30:41 PM) Visitor 77010849: No question is dumb only dumb answers …
(5:30:54 PM) Teoalida: what answer did you expect for such questions?
(5:31:23 PM) Visitor 77010849: One that’s not military time fist off
(5:32:23 PM) Teoalida: I don’t understand… but can you check www.teoalida.com/about/aboutme ?
(5:33:56 PM) *** Visitor 77010849 has left ***

Lost customer because he don’t realize that a human is replying him?

A canadian who went to Car Database section, opened one sample database, most likely he could be a customer, but instead of saying what he wants, he asked a couple of childish dumb questions in chat.

Country: Canada
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/

Chat started on Thursday, November 08, 2018 7:27:04 PM

(7:27:04 PM) *** Visitor 33669571 has joined the chat ***
(7:27:06 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… are you looking for a specific database? you are welcome for a chat!
(7:27:35 PM) Visitor 33669571: Hi, is this a robot or a real person?
(7:27:41 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:27:46 PM) Teoalida: only initial greeting is robot
(7:28:05 PM) Visitor 33669571: I would like to chat with someone…
(7:28:23 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/contact/
(7:28:31 PM) Visitor 33669571: here?
(7:28:32 PM) Teoalida: Do you stay at computer all time to greet visitors and answer questions?

NO! The chat software is greeting visitors automatically as long someone is online. Only if you type a message in chat, I get sound alert of incoming chat. I stay ONLINE as long I am home and not sleeping, but I do not always stay at computer, and if you send a message I run to computer to answer you as fast I can. Of course this is not always possible, 5% of chats remain unanswered. But you can always leave your email address where you answer your questions when I return to computer.
(7:29:12 PM) Visitor 33669571: So, whom am I chatting with now?
(7:29:24 PM) Teoalida: www.zopim.com if you want to see more how is working
(7:29:25 PM) Visitor 33669571 has changed their name to Ramy.
(7:29:31 PM) Teoalida: this is one-person website
(7:31:38 PM) Teoalida: instead of being concerned if the chat is robot or human, just say how I can help you?
(7:33:10 PM) Teoalida: IN SHORT: The chat provided by www.zopim.com is greeting automatically all visitors, only if you send me a message, I can send you messages manually and answer questions. 9 of 10 chats were initiated by this greeting, without it, people would not notice that there is a live chat available. Are you against automation?
(7:36:54 PM) Ramy: I am for automation in matters that do not require human interaction. Chatting and talking is an activity that requires human interaction. Sweeping the floor and assembling car parts do not require human interaction.
(7:36:58 PM) Teoalida: the “robot” CANNOT answer questions, but just greet people
(7:37:09 PM) Teoalida: so any answer is mine, a human
(7:37:23 PM) Ramy: Great. My name is Ramy, what is yours?
(7:37:35 PM) Teoalida: just call me Teoalida like domain name
(7:37:46 PM) Ramy: ?
(7:37:53 PM) Ramy: What is your name again?
(7:38:19 PM) Teoalida: let’s don’t disclose full name, call me Teoalida
(7:38:50 PM) Ramy: it is weird that you do not want to disclose your name…
(7:38:57 PM) Ramy: I disclosed mine…
(7:39:40 PM) Teoalida: because I do not want you to search on Facebook or somewhere else and get too much personal info
(7:40:01 PM) *** Ramy has left ***


Country: Iraq
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/database/buildings/

Chat started on Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:06:21 PM

(3:06:21 PM) *** Visitor 89317368 has joined the chat ***
(3:06:22 PM) Visitor 89317368: x;lmcxvl
(3:06:27 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(3:06:27 PM) Visitor 89317368: dfsdsf
(3:06:29 PM) Teoalida: hello
(3:06:35 PM) Visitor 89317368: hi
(3:06:51 PM) Visitor 89317368: how are you ?
(3:07:02 PM) Teoalida: working as everyday
(3:07:05 PM) Teoalida: how I can help you?
(3:07:28 PM) Visitor 89317368: are you person or machine ?
(3:07:52 PM) Teoalida: a person, if you still have doubts, watch a video here https://www.teoalida.com/database/webscraping
(3:08:04 PM) Visitor 89317368: thanks
(3:09:45 PM) *** Visitor 89317368 has left ***


Country: Uruguay
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/about/aboutme/

Chat started on Friday, May 24, 2019 6:59:14 PM

(6:59:14 PM) *** Visitor 89801081 has joined the chat ***
(6:59:16 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hello visitor from Uruguay, what are you looking for? If you need any help or just want to talk about what is on my website, drop here a message!
(7:01:56 PM) Visitor 89801081: sup
(7:02:10 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:02:13 PM) Teoalida: what’s up
(7:03:34 PM) Visitor 89801081: oh boy i though this chat was just a bot lmao
uhhhhh sorry
(7:03:48 PM) Teoalida: happens with some people
(7:03:53 PM) Teoalida: so how I can help you now?
(7:10:10 PM) *** Visitor 89801081 has left ***


Country: Russia
Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/database/screenresolution/

Chat started on Friday, May 24, 2019 10:03:57 PM

(10:03:57 PM) *** Visitor 69066519 has joined the chat ***
(10:03:59 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hello visitor from Russia, are you looking for a specific database? Let me know if I can help you!
(10:04:14 PM) Visitor 69066519: nope
(10:04:21 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(10:04:21 PM) Teoalida: 🙁
(10:04:34 PM) Visitor 69066519: nice bot tho
(10:04:53 PM) Teoalida: there is no bot, see www.teoalida.com/contact
(10:05:12 PM) Visitor 69066519: at least bot is smarter than it is seen in Vinesauce
(10:05:22 PM) Visitor 69066519: he are destroying windows
(10:05:27 PM) Visitor 69066519: in a streams
(10:05:57 PM) Teoalida: not sure what is Vinesauce
(10:06:00 PM) Teoalida: or maybe this video help you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIM-8kYr1Zc
(10:06:37 PM) *** Visitor 69066519 has left ***

IDIOT comments about SERS

A random IDIOT pretending to be HDB insider, posted a comment about future SERS sites, if his first comment was somewhat nice, he posted more comments using with multiple names from same IP as well as multiple IPs, praising himself and insulting me but also other visitors of my website, a very idiotic behavior, losing his trust.

He (or they) posted 25 comments in List of SERS sites plus few more comments on other pages of my website.


Idiot wasting my time for 4 years

This person from Croatia asked few questions about Chinese cars, and assuming that he want to purchase a car database, I answered his questions. Usually do not take more than 15 minutes to convince customers to purchase or not purchase a database, but he kept asking questions for more than 90 minutes and I realized that he is not going to buy anything, he is just an idiot chatting non-sense and wasting my time from serving REAL customers!

Next day someone with different visitor # but same Croatia reported an error that was actually correct, I asked if is SAME person who asked yesterday about Chinese cars, he said yes. His browser have cookies disabled, thus every time he appear with new/different visitor # and due to this reason I do not know if is him and I need to answer each chat in case he is a potential customer. A month earlier I got a couple of similar messages from Croatia that may have been SAME person (having over 5000 chats per year, is difficult to find HIS chats without remembering an unique keyword to search, Zendesk Chat do not have option to filter chat logs by country to narrow search, and see if IP matches).

Update: I believe that SAME person is responsible for few dozens stupid messages received over last 4 years (at least). Including a case from 29 November 2015, when someone sent me every 30 min – 1 hour (possible) quotes copy-pasted from various car websites, for an interval of 10 hours, disturbing me for NO reason from possible other activities.

Dear idiot, if you have useful information to contribute, provide info in one quick chat, DO NOT contact me repeatedly and chat for hours, if you aren’t doing any business.

2019 time-wasting chat

Chat started on Thursday, July 11, 2019 2:26:18 PM

(2:26:18 PM) *** Visitor 23276148 has joined the chat ***
(2:26:20 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hello visitor from Croatia, are you looking for a specific database? Let me know if I can help you!
(2:29:34 PM) Visitor 23276148: Have you heard about DR Motor Company, an Italo-Chinese car manufacturer?
(2:29:51 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(2:29:52 PM) Teoalida: see https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/china/
(2:41:46 PM) Visitor 23276148: DR automobiles are being sold exclusively in Italy
(2:42:13 PM) Teoalida: in this case probably is not included in China database
(2:42:17 PM) Teoalida: anyway why do you ask?
(2:42:23 PM) Teoalida: what details do you need for each car?
(2:44:16 PM) Visitor 23276148: Audi has had major expansion of model range: 1980s and early 1990s – 8 models and from 2010s onwards – more than 12 models. Is it correct?
(2:45:16 PM) Teoalida: did you read https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/carmakers-produce-too-many-models/ ?
(2:49:36 PM) Teoalida: looks like that you ask questions related with my articles, but what is the point of these questions? do you want to purchase a database?
(2:58:18 PM) Visitor 23276148: One of few historical models sold in the Middle East… https://www.drivearabia.com/roadtests/mercedesbenz/mercedesbenz190e8493/
(2:59:22 PM) Teoalida: 190E was sold all over the world
(3:03:23 PM) Visitor 23276148: Is Toyota Camry from late 1990s being added to the GCC Car Database?
(3:04:46 PM) Visitor 23276148: https://www.drivearabia.com/roadtests/toyota/toyotacamry9802/
(3:05:04 PM) Teoalida: Agent uploaded: 1562846700647.png
URL: https://v2uploads.zopim.io/g/y/Q/gyQv0zvvEw4pbx3wM2qzBO2gUxltXvhR/4b4a49ba7007ad437832eedf9bc1316c5272a0e0.png
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Size: 906496
(3:05:58 PM) Visitor 23276148: Unfortunately it’s missing in car database
(3:06:36 PM) Teoalida: OLD cars are often missing
(3:06:55 PM) Teoalida: but for most of my customers is enough. They don’t need cars older than 20 years
(3:07:02 PM) Teoalida: can you give me your email?
(3:10:31 PM) Teoalida: what is your business field? how old cars do you need and what details for each car?
(3:35:58 PM) Visitor 23276148: ARO jeeps were never being sold in Germany, Is it correct?
(3:36:28 PM) Teoalida: do you know that I am from Romania?
(3:36:37 PM) Visitor 23276148: Yes, I know
(3:37:14 PM) Teoalida: ARO was sold in many countries but don’t know if also in Western Europe
(3:39:55 PM) Teoalida: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO_10 The ARO 10 was sold as the Dacia Duster in some international markets and as ACM Enduro x4 in Italy (assembled by ARO-Ciemme – 1987-1989)
(3:41:33 PM) Teoalida: it do not say exactly WHICH countries where sold
(3:45:34 PM) Teoalida: https://www.ziarexclusiv.info/dosarele-x/capitolul-aro-mortul-fara-cruce-anii-80-aro-10-se-exporta-anglia-sub-numele-de-dacia-duster/ it say that was exported to UK, but Parkers.co.uk (source for my UK database) don’t include it, probably because is too old
(3:58:00 PM) Visitor 23276148: We can say that the ARO vehicles were also being sold in Italy, Spain and Portugal.
(3:58:40 PM) Teoalida: thanks for info, but I still don’t understand what do you want from me?
(3:58:55 PM) Visitor 23276148: Nothing
(3:59:15 PM) Teoalida: why did you opened this conversation?
(3:59:30 PM) Visitor 23276148: due to interesting infos
(4:00:23 PM) Teoalida: you remind me of https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/chat-2017-11-15/
(4:00:54 PM) Teoalida: 3 people asking questions about my services WITHOUT saying clearly the scope of this conversation, what services they are interested in
(4:35:40 PM) *** Visitor 23276148 has left ***

Chat started on Friday, July 12, 2019 9:52:31 PM

(9:52:31 PM) *** Visitor 18872931 has joined the chat ***
(9:52:31 PM) Visitor 18872931: Hello!
(9:53:49 PM) Visitor 18872931: Hello!
(9:54:33 PM) Auto-respond @ 2 min: The operator is busy or out of office for a moment. Please try again later or leave your email address and I will contact you when I return in office
(10:40:44 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(10:40:46 PM) Teoalida: I am here… now
(10:40:54 PM) *** Visitor 18872931 has left ***

Chat started on Friday, July 12, 2019 10:47:43 PM

(10:47:43 PM) *** Visitor 18872931 has joined the chat ***
(10:47:43 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(10:47:48 PM) Teoalida: I am here… now
(10:48:58 PM) Visitor 18872931: This database include ONLY car models sold in Japanese domestic market (including foreign models sold here) and target people from Japan as well as people from LHD countries in Asia and Africa who import used cars from Japan. – this is obviously being a error LHD is the steering wheel mounted on left – RHT traffic, not LHT!
(10:49:38 PM) Teoalida: is not an error, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic
(10:50:42 PM) Visitor 18872931: Is RHD being a steering mounted on right?
(10:54:17 PM) Teoalida: don’t you see the map?
(10:54:24 PM) Teoalida: Japan is blue, LHD
(10:54:53 PM) Teoalida: and you are same person who few days ago wasted me 1 hour asking random questions about Chinese cars and ARO?
(10:59:31 PM) Visitor 18872931: Yes,
(11:00:21 PM) Teoalida: do me a favor and STOP wasting my time chatting unless you want to buy something… I have a LONG to-do list, 3 projects for customers and also voluntary journalism work
(11:08:29 PM) Visitor 18872931: hello
(11:23:32 PM) *** Visitor 18872931 has left ***

Some non-sense chats from 2015 that probably belong to SAME person

Chat started on Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:05:23 PM

(10:05:23 PM) *** Visitor 55092430 has joined the chat ***
(10:05:25 PM) teoalida: Hello from website admin… would you like to know more about certain car database? you are welcome for a chat!
(10:09:55 PM) teoalida: may I know what are you looking for, more exactly?
(10:10:48 PM) Visitor 55092430: Hello, I want to add Australian Holdens on the database!
(10:10:59 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(10:11:00 PM) Teoalida: you add?
(10:11:10 PM) Teoalida: I have Holden in Car Models List Worldwide
(10:11:21 PM) Teoalida: no technical specs
(10:17:37 PM) Visitor 55092430: Do you know about Chery, Geely, JAC, Lifan, Great Wall Motor, Landwind, Brilliance Jinbei, Chang’an (Chana) as well as MG (post-2005 models)?
(10:18:03 PM) Teoalida: very little info about chinese brands is available online
(10:18:18 PM) Teoalida: most models are sold in China only
(10:20:59 PM) Visitor 55092430: Do you know about MG 3, as being one of most recent models by Anglo-Chinese manufacturer MG Motor?
(10:21:27 PM) Teoalida: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_3 from 2011
(10:21:30 PM) Teoalida: is this most recent?
(10:22:04 PM) Teoalida: there’s no chinese brands in Car Models List due of incompleteness and confusing info available on Wikipedia, Irather don’t add them than adding wrong info
(10:22:37 PM) Teoalida: Even if MG does have Wikipedia page for each model, other brands don’t have, I will be never able to make complete list of chinese cars
(10:22:55 PM) Teoalida: and since they aren’t sold in other countries why I need to bother adding in database?
(10:29:04 PM) Visitor 55092430: I have found info that the Iran Khodro vehicles are being sold in Iran and Belarus, is it correct?
(10:29:19 PM) Teoalida: in Belarus? really?
(10:29:58 PM) Teoalida: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Khodro#Export_markets
(10:30:01 PM) Teoalida: The company won the annual national prize for export activities in years 2006, 2007. Russia, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Egypt, Algeria and Bulgaria are among the most important target markets for the group.
(10:30:13 PM) Teoalida: didn’t state about Belarus but I m pretty surprised about Russia
(10:31:58 PM) Visitor 55092430: Samand has been also manufactured in Minsk, Belarus, by the Unison firm.
(10:32:11 PM) Teoalida: how do you know?
(10:32:56 PM) Teoalida: anyway, what are you trying to do? are you interested in purchasing anything or you want to help me improving database? or just exchange knowlege?
(10:33:37 PM) Visitor 55092430: I want to help improving your database.
(10:34:22 PM) Teoalida: this never happened before
(10:34:58 PM) Teoalida: somewhat I appreciate, but as I said, I don’t add in cars database unless there is reliable data available
(10:35:18 PM) Teoalida: do you refer at Car Models List or at continent-specific databases?
(10:37:04 PM) Visitor 55092430: I refer to Car Models List Worldwide
(10:37:27 PM) Teoalida: perhaps you saw the list of brands and think that is incomplete?
(10:39:55 PM) Visitor 55092430: Yes, I want just to exchange knowledge, as I think that it is still missing aforementioned Iran Khodro (IKCO) on the list.
(10:39:57 PM) Teoalida: I stated on website that is complete for cars sold in Europe, America and India, does not guarantee worldwide completion
(10:41:37 PM) Teoalida: do you know Panther Westwinds, Ginetta, Tofas, Anadol
(10:45:53 PM) Visitor 55092430: I don’t know about Panther Westwinds, Ginetta and Anadol. But for Tofaş, I know about models named Tofaş Şahin, Doğan, and Kartal which are Turkish versions of the old Fiat 131 automobile made in Türk Otomobil Fabrikası A.Ş. facilities in Bursa, Turkey.
(10:46:25 PM) Teoalida: I added in Car Models & Engines…. Panther, Ginetta and Tofas last month
(10:47:43 PM) Visitor 55092430: Do you know about Mastretta, the first Mexican automobile?
(10:48:25 PM) Teoalida: know it
(10:48:36 PM) Teoalida: but there may be one more mexican car that I don’t know
(10:49:20 PM) Visitor 55092430: Do you know about Pagani and Fornasari?
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(10:49:51 PM) Teoalida: Pagani is there
(10:49:57 PM) Teoalida: Fornasari didn’t know
(10:50:48 PM) Teoalida: if we talk this way, we can find 1000 more manufacturers making more than 10 cars per day
(10:51:01 PM) Teoalida: do you know Sarao Motors? where they are and what they make?
(10:56:13 PM) Visitor 55092430: Sarao Motors, Inc. is a Filipino automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Brgy. Pulang Lupa in the city of Las Piñas in Metro Manila, Philippines. The company designs, engineers, manufactures and distributes the jeepney, the most popular form of transportation in the country, labeled as the ‘king of the road’ in the Philippines.Jeepneys are the most popular means of public transportation in the Philippines. They are known for their crowded seating and kitsch decorations, which have become a ubiquitous symbol of Philippine culture and art. A Sarao jeepney was exhibited at the Philippine pavilion at the 1964 New York World’s Fair as a national image for the Filipinos.
Jeepneys were originally made from U.S. military jeeps left over from World War II.
(10:56:49 PM) Teoalida: it is not viewed as real car company… by foreigners
(10:57:10 PM) Teoalida: and do not have a regulated model lineup, only handmade models
(11:00:46 PM) Visitor 55092430: Saipa Saba is the Iranian version of South Korean Kia Pride, is it really correct?
(11:01:38 PM) Teoalida: Saipa??
(11:03:01 PM) Teoalida: Wikipedia does have a pretty wide list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers but as stated on Car Brands sheet of that Excel, brands with no regulated model lineup with known year of production are not included
(11:09:04 PM) Visitor 55092430: SAIPA (in Persian: سایپا‎‎) is the second largest Iranian auto manufacturer. SAIPA (an acronym for the French Société Anonyme Iranienne de Production Automobile) was established in 1966, with 75% Iranian ownership, to assemble Citroëns under license for the Iranian market. Nowadays it was built mainly Korean cars, but has also developed its own engine and range of cars.
(11:36:07 PM) Visitor 55092430: SAIPA (in Persian: سایپا‎‎) is the second largest Iranian auto manufacturer. SAIPA (an acronym for the French Société Anonyme Iranienne de Production Automobile) was established in 1966, with 75% Iranian ownership, to assemble Citroëns under license for the Iranian market. Nowadays it was built mainly Korean cars, but has also developed its own engine and range of cars.
(11:36:18 PM) Teoalida: oh, stil here?
(11:36:32 PM) Teoalida: you copied same message
(12:03:08 AM) Visitor 55092430: Is Renault Thalia (Symbol) is added to the list, despite being not sold in Western Europe?
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Chat started on Sunday, November 29, 2015 1:15:52 PM

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(1:15:54 PM) teoalida: Hello from website admin… would you like to know more about certain car database? you are welcome for a chat!
(1:17:34 PM) Visitor 55092430: Yesterday, I have informed about SAIPA, the second largest Iranian automobile manufacturer, which produced several Citroens, Kias, Renaults and Nissans under license, is it done?
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(1:17:58 PM) Teoalida: is the first time I heard of Saipa
(1:18:06 PM) Teoalida: know Iran Khodro
(1:18:15 PM) Teoalida: and I was going to add it next month
(1:33:43 PM) Visitor 55092430: SAIPA (in Persian: سایپا‎‎) is the second largest Iranian auto manufacturer. SAIPA (an acronym for the French Société Anonyme Iranienne de Production Automobile) was established in 1966, with 75% Iranian ownership, to assemble Citroëns under license for the Iranian market. Nowadays it builds mainly Korean cars, but has also developed its own engine and range of cars.
(1:34:04 PM) Teoalida: you copied this message 2 times yesterday too
(1:38:02 PM) Teoalida: See also https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/updates/
(1:58:04 PM) Visitor 55092430: The Renault Thalia (Symbol) was not being sold in Western European markets, do you heard about?
(1:58:22 PM) Teoalida: my country is full of Renault Symbols
(2:01:27 PM) Visitor 55092430: Is true that the VW Jetta is also sold in Brazil with a 2.5 liters 5 cylinders 170 PS, according to Google searching “jetta 2.5 170cv”?
(2:05:32 PM) Visitor 55092430: Is true that the VW Jetta is also sold in Brazil with a 2.5 liters 5 cylinders 170 PS, according to Google searching “jetta 2.5 170cv”?
(2:05:45 PM) Teoalida: in Brazil????
(2:05:59 PM) Teoalida: don’t know what is sold in Brazil but that 2.5 engine is sold in USA market
(2:06:18 PM) Teoalida: I wrote about this on https://www.teoalida.com/cardatabase/non-european-markets/
(2:11:12 PM) Visitor 55092430: Chevrolet Lumina was also rebadged Holden Commodore which was being sold in the Middle East, South Africa and South East Asia.
(2:11:39 PM) Teoalida: why you’re telling me these things about Asia and etc?
(2:11:58 PM) Teoalida: I am not interested in this region yet, when I will be interested I will look myself on Wikipedia
(2:13:59 PM) Visitor 55092430: Because Asian markets are really interesting to me.
(2:14:32 PM) Teoalida: oh I see, but they are too difficult
(2:14:41 PM) Teoalida: a lot of contradictory info available online
(2:15:03 PM) Teoalida: sorry to say but this chat is not so helpful for my business
(2:15:49 PM) Teoalida: there may be other ways you could help
(2:24:44 PM) Visitor 55092430: Many newer Dacia vehicles are sold in some countries as Renaults (eg. Renault Sandero, Renault Duster) in Russia, India as well as Latin America
(2:24:59 PM) Teoalida: I know
(2:28:27 PM) Visitor 55092430: The Opel Karl/Vauxhall Viva is introduced in 2015, replacing both the Opel Agila B and the Chevrolet Spark M300 in Europe.
(2:30:20 PM) Visitor 55092430: The Opel Karl/Vauxhall Viva is introduced in 2015, replacing both the Opel Agila B and the Chevrolet Spark M300 in Europe.
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Chat started on Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:35:06 PM

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(2:35:08 PM) teoalida: Hello from website admin… would you like to know more about certain car database? you are welcome for a chat!
(2:35:22 PM) Visitor 55092430: The Opel Karl/Vauxhall Viva is introduced in 2015, replacing both the Opel Agila B and the Chevrolet Spark M300 in Europe.
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(2:36:21 PM) Teoalida: why you need to repeat?
(2:38:07 PM) Visitor 55092430: Because you lost its response.
(2:39:27 PM) Teoalida: I never lost
(2:39:38 PM) Teoalida: and what I should reply? sorry if I reply late but I also talk with customers
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Chat started on Sunday, November 29, 2015 4:43:07 PM

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(4:43:09 PM) teoalida: Hello from website admin… would you like to know more about certain car database? you are welcome for a chat!
(4:43:23 PM) Visitor 55092430: The olriginal Volkswagen Beetle (Type 1) was been produced from 1938 to 2003 (though it was been discontinued in 1978 for the European markets, but it had ongoing production in Mexico)
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(4:48:58 PM) Visitor 55092430: The original Volkswagen Beetle (Type 1) was been produced from 1938 to 2003 (though it was been discontinued in 1978 for the European markets, but it had ongoing production in Mexico)
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Chat started on Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:02:44 PM

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(7:02:44 PM) Visitor 55092430: The original Volkswagen Beetle (Type 1) was been produced from 1938 to 2003 (though it was been discontinued in 1978 for the European markets, but it had ongoing production in Mexico)
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(7:02:58 PM) Teoalida: I saw this
(7:03:06 PM) Teoalida: why you are giving me such messages???????
(7:03:13 PM) Teoalida: also you copy from somewhere or writing?
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Chat started on Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:28:12 PM

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(11:28:12 PM) Visitor 55092430: Do you ever heard about Facel Vega?
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(11:28:34 PM) Teoalida: Facel? hmm I hear
(11:29:10 PM) Teoalida: 4 hours ago you quit
(11:29:12 PM) Teoalida: why you are giving me such messages???????
also you copy from somewhere or writing?
(11:29:47 PM) Visitor 55092430: No, I haven’t copied such a message.
(11:30:40 PM) Teoalida: you write from… where? from your mind?
(11:31:09 PM) Teoalida: I am referring at messages such as one about VW Beetle
(11:31:09 PM) Visitor 55092430: I have found list of automobiles via eBay.
(11:34:28 PM) Visitor 55092430: Toyota has been founded in 1937, is it true?
(11:34:42 PM) Teoalida: my list of car manufacturers what say?
(11:54:28 PM) Visitor 55092430: Do you ever heard about Vespa 400?
(11:58:19 PM) Teoalida: this one no
(11:58:30 PM) Teoalida: Hey can you do something HELPFUL?
(11:59:02 PM) Teoalida: sending me such messages every 30 min is not helpful at all.. it’s rather disturbing, you distract me from doing main yearly update of database
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A similar non-sense chat from 2018, possible same person

Chat started on Monday, June 04, 2018 4:54:26 PM

(4:54:26 PM) *** Visitor 4612565 has joined the chat ***
(4:54:28 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… are you looking for a specific database? you are welcome for a chat!
(5:13:44 PM) Visitor 4612565: Have you ever heard about Peugeot 301 from 2012 or Citroen C-Elysee?
(5:13:58 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(5:14:03 PM) Teoalida: they are included in European database
(5:18:52 PM) Visitor 4612565: These are being sold in Europe, but not in Germany, Netherlands, UK, and Scandinavia.
(5:19:35 PM) Teoalida: they are sold in Eastern Europe
(5:20:52 PM) Visitor 4612565: Is Renault Thalia being another name for Renault Symbol which was being sold in Romania?
(5:21:57 PM) Teoalida: in Romania is sold as Symbol, not sure where is Thalia name
(5:22:36 PM) Visitor 4612565: I’m sure that the Renault Thalia was being in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Croatia.
(5:27:14 PM) Teoalida: did you purchased any database and found missing models?
(5:28:24 PM) Visitor 4612565: No, but i’m sure that the Renault Thalia is another name for Renault Symbol in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia, Slovenia and Croatia.
(5:30:20 PM) Teoalida: and what do you suggest… to write all possible names and indicate each country where it is sold, or what?
(5:30:47 PM) Visitor 4612565: Bye Bye
(5:32:02 PM) Teoalida: why did you came there? to buy any database or just to talk about potential mistakes?
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