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Bad customer from Canada (2018-12-24) – want architecture services but DON’T PAY

We chatted for 45 minutes, asked me to make drawings and said that “for preliminary drawings we do not pay“, he even refused to give an email address, how we can take in serious such customers IDIOTS?

Reminds me of the numerous bad customers from India… but this person was from Canada! I expected these people to respect us (architects) and PAY our services!

Chat started on Monday, December 24, 2018 6:12:14 PM

(6:12:14 PM) *** Visitor 83995181 has joined the chat ***
(6:12:16 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… may I know what are you looking for? If you need any help or just want to talk about what is on website, drop here a message!
(6:36:09 PM) Visitor 83995181: hi
(6:36:15 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(6:36:18 PM) Teoalida: what’s up
(6:36:46 PM) Visitor 83995181: i was looking your works in re- apartment buildings
(6:38:25 PM) Visitor 83995181: I have a property and wanted to see how I could develop this in order too fit urban design and so on so for.
(6:38:53 PM) Teoalida: tell me land dimensions and what do you build?
(6:39:20 PM) Teoalida: also where is this located? so I can decide which partner architect to let handling this project… or do you want to do myself?
(6:39:47 PM) Visitor 83995181: 165′ frontage x 83′ deep
(6:40:26 PM) Visitor 83995181: Canada- Ontario – Richmond Hill (GTA)
(6:40:42 PM) Teoalida: oh really?
(6:40:52 PM) Visitor 83995181: YES
(6:41:08 PM) Teoalida: because most people who contacted me from US and Canada were actually immigrants working there and building in their native countries
(6:41:21 PM) Teoalida: so give me project details?
(6:41:25 PM) Teoalida: and how we can contact you?
(6:41:58 PM) Visitor 83995181: project details?
(6:46:00 PM) Visitor 83995181: I am looking for low rise apartment first floor parking and starting second floors and up apartments low cost to build and 6 floor in total.
(6:46:43 PM) Visitor 83995181: ideally 2 bedrooms and one bedrooms
(6:47:59 PM) Visitor 83995181: 600sqf to 700sqf
(6:49:53 PM) Teoalida: and do you need only floor plan for ideas or also detailed drawings, elevations, sections, structural calculation, electrical, plumbing, 3D design?
(6:53:16 PM) Visitor 83995181: I do first need a preliminary layout to approach the town of Richmond Hill to discuss about the max coverage in re- number of units and parking requirements first if they are ok Yes I will need all drawings layouts for complete package .
(6:54:24 PM) Visitor 83995181: because of the property sitting along Yonge street and busy transit coridor
(6:55:02 PM) Visitor 83995181: we have a Bus Stop just 30′ walk so
(6:55:41 PM) Visitor 83995181: for parking we could go one spot for all 2bedroom or 1bedroom
(6:56:38 PM) Visitor 83995181: I may get a planner to coordinate better with the Town and us as well.
(6:58:15 PM) Teoalida: one of my partner architects is in Colorado and I think that may be more suitable for this project
(6:58:24 PM) Teoalida: I also have architects in Asia if you want cheaper price
(6:58:26 PM) Teoalida: how much do you pay?
(7:01:35 PM) Visitor 83995181: for preliminary Usually we do not pay
(7:02:10 PM) Visitor 83995181: this would be very basic hand layout
(7:02:55 PM) Teoalida: but doing such basic layout still take time… and it risk to not fit your building code, I need to spend few hours studying building code first
(7:04:01 PM) Teoalida: this is what I done in 2012-2015, preliminary plans free of charge, HOPING to convince customers to pay afterwards for a complete project… but 9 of 10 didn’t paid. And my partners told me to STOP, work only with advance payment
(7:06:03 PM) Visitor 83995181: no problem then nice to talk to you.
(7:06:19 PM) Teoalida: BTW, do you know any architecture firm in Burlington?
(7:06:29 PM) Teoalida: that does use Chief Architect software?
(7:07:17 PM) Teoalida: I got a job offer from a company and it may have been very good… but lost it due to stress caused by other non-paying customers
(7:07:32 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/big-collaboration-offer/
(7:07:33 PM) Visitor 83995181: I know some in Toronto area . like Bathaglia Architect
(7:07:48 PM) Teoalida: Help me to know contact info of this company
(7:11:20 PM) Teoalida: if his projects were like yours (and many others), requring preliminary drawings free of charge, I would say a BIG NO, but from what they told me in chat, they were providing me preliminary drawings and if my job would have been only to 3D them, I would have taken job
(7:15:07 PM) Visitor 83995181: in todays market Architects are usually approches to the land owners and offer
(7:17:54 PM) Visitor 83995181: the ideas in order to get the best feasible that fits in the budget and urban designs then the second step they may inter the contract for further works.I don’t want waste your time it this dosen’t work then good luck and I wish the best in this new year. cheers.
(7:18:22 PM) Teoalida: can you help me to know what is contact info of Burlington company?
(7:18:52 PM) Teoalida: BTW, my income from IT has grown from $1000 in 2015 to $10000 / month in 2018
(7:19:12 PM) Teoalida: so I am anyway no longer interested in architectural projects, but my partners do, and pay me 10% referral fee
(7:20:04 PM) *** Teoalida has left ***
(7:20:56 PM) *** Visitor 83995181 has left ***

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