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Fake customer @ architecture (2018-08-23) – Toss Smithe made the biggest PRANK I ever seen!

Over time I had several cases when a student found my website and messaged me via chat, his schoolmates seeing him did the same, overloading me usually with non-sense messages without having any business to do with me.

This happened on 23 August 2018 too. Someone from United States contacted me, sounded like a student asking help how to go into architecture. I shared my (bad) experiences in architecture with non-paying customers, that made me to retire from architecture, he mentioned that his friends have also dealt with scammers who do not want to pay and children making pranks.

Shortly after this I have been contacted by 2 more people with same IP, sending a couple of messages that sounded like pranks.

A 4th person joined chat and said “Hello Mr. Teoalida. My name is Toss Smithe, and I am interested in contracting you for paying job. You will have approximately three months to complete it, and if the finished product is as expected, we are willing to pay around $10,000. I would like a custom designed 3D model floor plan, preferably done in AutoCAD.

Some elements indicated that could be a PRANK:

  • Contacting me at same time from same IP the students who mentioned about pranks.
  • He did not opened any of the pages under /design section to check my past portfolio. He claims that his customer visited my website previously and recommended him to contact me.
  • However, why a customer in USA would hire an architect who did most projects in Asia? Does he want specifically a house with Asian styling?
  • Designing a floor plan and 3D model takes max few days and charges do not exceed $1,000. Offering $10,000 only for floor plan and 3D sounds too good to be true.
  • He mentioned that I have 3 months to complete, what his job do include to take so much? Does it require detailed construction drawings, electrical, plumbing, structural analysis, etc? I may not have time to work so much on a single project.

I asked the 1st student what he thinks about Toss Smithe and he said that is a PRANK, then said that may be a LEGITIMATE project, may be a professor who do side jobs beside teaching.

I asked Toss Smithe for email address and I sent him an email, he replied “Yes, and again I apologize for the behavior of my students.” his email address [email protected] and signature “Private Contractor” gave impression of a legitimate customer. I replied and also apologized for the way I replied initially, because had several cases in the past when multiple people contact me at same time from same IP, which turned to be PRANKS and I was not sure if he is legitimate project. He replied that I am over cautious and withdraw my job offer.

Due to my lack of experience in US homes I asked Marysela, an architect from United States which we talked few times in the past, to contact Toss Smithe, who replied on 31 August very formally but refused to disclose location of the house, and Marysela could not start the project without knowing location.

Few minutes after Toss Smithe replied at Marysela email, someone with same IP came on website chat, asking for my phone number, and thinking that could be Toss Smithe, I gave my phone number to show that I am a serious person, he replied “Great, thank you” then “I now have your phone number and will be posting it all over the internet. Have fun with your millions of prank calls stupid mother fucker” and continued with many vulgar messages, in which he mentioned about Marysela and Cosa (Philippines architect partner), I have not told about Marysela to anyone else than email to Toss Smite so is pretty obvious that the person in chat was same Toss Smithe (although he swears that don’t know who is Toss Smithe).

In conclusion, I wasted few hours on this prank over a week. The BIGGEST FUCKING PRANK I ever seen in my career. Luckily I haven’t got any prank calls on phone.

(there is a small chance that Toss Smithe project was legitimate and his schoolmates / colleagues were spying his emails and wanted to mess things up)

Location
Fayetteville, Georgia, United States
Browser
Chrome 68.0.3440.106
Platform
Windows 10
Device

IP Address
73.207.66.125

The 1st person

Chat started on Thursday, August 23, 2018 7:41:42 PM

(7:41:42 PM) *** Visitor 84810818 has joined the chat ***
(7:41:42 PM) Visitor 84810818: Hi! I have been looking at your floor plans and houses.
(7:42:02 PM) *** Teoalida has left ***
(7:42:10 PM) Visitor 84810818: I wanted to know what application you use for cadding?
(7:42:13 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(7:42:14 PM) Teoalida: and…?
(7:42:18 PM) Teoalida: only AutoCAD
(7:42:37 PM) Visitor 84810818: Oh, okay! Are you self taught?
(7:42:49 PM) Teoalida: mostly yes
(7:43:00 PM) Teoalida: who are you? a student who want to do the same or….?
(7:43:41 PM) Visitor 84810818: Yes actually! I really admire your work. I want to go into architecture or industrial design – do you have any online courses you would reccomend?
(7:44:06 PM) Teoalida: I never take any course to recommend you any
(7:44:35 PM) Teoalida: but I have an advice for you: DO NOT rely on a website like this, or you will be pissed off by fucking indians who wants house plans for free or $10
(7:45:59 PM) Visitor 84810818: Oh, yikes. I’m sorry you’ve had to deal with that. I’m actually working on building a portfolio for myself, and wanted to know if you had any tips or guidance for me? I know it’s an unusual request haha.
(7:46:12 PM) Teoalida: I speak from my personal experience
(7:46:23 PM) Teoalida: 9 of 10 people contacting me don’t want to pay my services
(7:46:37 PM) Teoalida: the serious paying customers are so rare that is difficult to spot them
(7:47:20 PM) Teoalida: I had to waste a lot of time replying everyone to see if he is serious or not… may have lost paying customers because didn’t paid enough attention to them
(7:47:45 PM) Visitor 84810818: Yeah, i know some of my friends have had trouble with scammers or people who dont want to pay at all. My friend’s mom has dealt with a lot of kids just playing around.
(7:47:57 PM) Teoalida: and some of the paying customers asked lots of revisions and this caused one house project to spread on more than 2 months
(7:48:27 PM) Visitor 84810818: Really?! That’s really tough, sorry about that! Where are you based?
(7:48:33 PM) Teoalida: Romania
(7:48:47 PM) Teoalida: but 90% of projects done were in Asia and Africa
(7:49:19 PM) Visitor 84810818: Oh okay! did you go to school for Cad or for something else?
(7:49:35 PM) Teoalida: I didn’t had any school in this matter
(7:49:41 PM) Teoalida: BTW, your friend mom have a website?
(7:49:50 PM) Teoalida: or how that kids were contacting her?
(7:50:23 PM) Visitor 84810818: Ahh okay. I think so, hold on! The kids were calling her business number and tying up the line i believe, let me see if she has a site.
(7:50:44 PM) Teoalida: her phone number is displayed somewhere?
(7:50:58 PM) Visitor 84810818: Yes
(7:51:01 PM) Teoalida: where
(7:51:07 PM) Visitor 84810818: Let me check
(7:51:31 PM) Teoalida: maybe someone posted her phone number on a fun website “call here if you want to talk with a woman”?
(7:51:51 PM) Visitor 84810818: No, not that.
(7:52:07 PM) Visitor 84810818: It was teenagers and little kids if i am remembering correctly
(7:52:15 PM) Visitor 84810818: i believe they were”prank calls”
(7:52:35 PM) Teoalida: my partner architects charge higher price and told me that is normal to spend more than 1 month for a house project… this further convinced me to quit architecture job
(7:52:56 PM) Teoalida: architecture doesn’t sounds right job for me
(7:53:14 PM) Visitor 84810818: true, architects do charge higher prices. A lot of times the projects will take a while so that is why prices are so high
(7:53:42 PM) Visitor 84810818: i actually think your work is really good! If that’s what you dream of doing, you should. you truly have talent!
(7:53:50 PM) Visitor 84810818: In both architectural design AND cad
(7:54:19 PM) Teoalida: several people suggested me to employ under another architect
(7:54:30 PM) Teoalida: to have a constant workflow and don’t deal with customers directly
(7:55:04 PM) Visitor 84810818: That really depends on your personality type. some people do much better working with actual customers, some dont.
(7:55:10 PM) Teoalida: but didn’t got any such offer until january 2018 when it was too late… not interested in architecture anymore https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/big-collaboration-offer/
(7:55:37 PM) Visitor 84810818: Ohh, okay.
(7:55:44 PM) Visitor 84810818: im sorry to hear that!
(7:55:45 PM) Teoalida: tell me your opinion about this chat
(7:56:04 PM) Teoalida: he wants to work in Chief Architect
(7:56:12 PM) Teoalida: 3 days ago also got a job offer in ArchiCAD and Revit
(7:56:52 PM) Visitor 84810818: Do you have a picture you can send?
(7:56:52 PM) Teoalida: didn’t used these software, and there is no point to learn them because I cannot handle a full-time job due to my other business
(7:57:10 PM) Visitor 84810818: Ahh, okay.
(7:57:19 PM) Teoalida: if you do not have any job you can work in this field, I suggest to learn more software because AutoCAD is outdated
(7:57:35 PM) Visitor 84810818: Yes, i would agree.
(7:57:52 PM) Visitor 84810818: Would you consider being a student mentor?
(7:57:56 PM) Visitor 84810818: that would pay well
(7:58:07 PM) Visitor 84810818: mentor students in architecture and design
(7:58:12 PM) Teoalida: do you want to pay me?
(7:58:33 PM) Visitor 84810818: I would consider it, honestly! And i have lots of friends who would be interested as well
(7:58:43 PM) Teoalida: so what I should do?
(8:00:23 PM) Visitor 84810818: I would say this (just my own advice) – You should create a profile for yourself on Linkedin! It would help other people reach you better, and i would share it with all of my friends who are students. you could have an online course in AutoCAD or just interior and architectural design, and people would definately pay for that.
(8:00:53 PM) Teoalida: I have a Linkedin profile and I got numerous connection requests from people who know nothing about me
(8:01:42 PM) Visitor 84810818: yeah, a lot of people connect when they see your business and want to reach out to either employ you or hire you
(8:02:58 PM) Teoalida: and do note that I already earning few thousand dollars from my other business and I am NOT interested in additional workload from architecture which is most likely cheaply paid
(8:03:33 PM) Visitor 84810818: true, but if you charge high prices and the right people employ you or hire you, it’s certanly not cheaply paid
(8:04:04 PM) Teoalida: past year someone from Singapore asked me price for a house project
(8:04:24 PM) Teoalida: then blamed me for making low-quality 3D images in AutoCAD
(8:04:32 PM) Teoalida: told me to learn 3D Studio Max
(8:04:40 PM) Visitor 84810818: That’s just a bad person, not your fault!
(8:04:48 PM) Teoalida: he told me that is outsourcing… though that he takes jobs from other people
(8:05:06 PM) Teoalida: but later told me that he is giving jobs to a company in China paying them few thousand dollars per project
(8:05:31 PM) Teoalida: so I assume that he wanted to employ me too and tried to convince me to learn other software but used wrong way to address me
(8:06:11 PM) Teoalida: now my question is how he gets customers paying him so high that allow him to pay Chinese company few thousand dollars per project, if in my case when I ask $50 for a house plan many people say that is too expensive and refuse to pay?
(8:07:19 PM) Visitor 84810818: because the people that are saying “That is too expensive” are too cheap! Not the right people. Tip for you – North american house plan prices are MUCH higher than $50. Can even get up into the $500 range if it’s good enough.
(8:08:19 PM) Teoalida: as I told you in previous messages I am facing with wrong people… 9 of 10 people do not want to pay
(8:08:31 PM) Visitor 84810818: right. that is why Linkedin is good
(8:08:46 PM) Visitor 84810818: also i would reccomend updating your website and making it a bit more modern
(8:09:07 PM) Teoalida: I don’t see how linkedin will help
(8:09:22 PM) Visitor 84810818: it expands your reach
(8:09:26 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/big-collaboration-offer/ – read this because I want your opinion
(8:09:31 PM) Visitor 84810818: try advertising on more american sites
(8:09:34 PM) Visitor 84810818: okay! one minute
(8:13:54 PM) *** Visitor 84810818 has left ***

Location
Fayetteville, Georgia, United States
Browser
Chrome 68.0.3440.106
Platform
Windows 10
Device
IP Address
73.207.66.125

Chat started on Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:14:31 PM

(8:14:31 PM) *** Visitor 84810818 has joined the chat ***
(8:14:32 PM) Visitor 84810818: I just read it, I think you made the right choice. If the person really had been interested, they would have given you an email to contact them with, or presented the price up front
(8:14:35 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:14:50 PM) Teoalida: I asked for email too late
(8:15:03 PM) Teoalida: he already lost interest for me claiming that “I insulted him”
(8:15:06 PM) Teoalida: why did this happeend?
(8:15:13 PM) Visitor 84810818: It is okay! I think he might not have been legitamate.
(8:15:18 PM) Visitor 84810818: That sounds fishy to me
(8:15:34 PM) Teoalida: why do you say that is not legitimate?
(8:16:34 PM) Visitor 84810818: He did not even give you a chance to explain yourself, just doesnt sound very professional of him to act so rude and say “You insulted him.” You had obviously had bad experiences before and were just being cautious
(8:16:42 PM) Visitor 84810818: I think he was rude
(8:17:31 PM) Teoalida: he seems that don’t understand what I was referring to with non-paying customers
(8:17:37 PM) Visitor 84810818: Right.
(8:17:47 PM) Visitor 84810818: I think you did the right thing by being cautious.
(8:18:26 PM) Teoalida: I did wrong to say that architecture is a waste of time and that I have other business too early
(8:18:56 PM) Visitor 84810818: True, but he took it too literally. You were just being careful
(8:19:45 PM) Teoalida: (5:37:59 PM) Visitor: I see on your site it says from $20 per basic room and $100 per advanced room
(8:19:57 PM) Teoalida: these prices written by me do not worth my time anymore
(8:20:25 PM) Teoalida: based on how much I am currently earning, I do not want to take jobs paid less than $100 per hour
(8:20:52 PM) Teoalida: and I cannot charge this price in architecture because my experience is far lower than professional architects and they charge less than me
(8:20:56 PM) Visitor 84810818: right, it makes sense!
(8:21:09 PM) Visitor 84810818: Kind of stuck in a loop
(8:21:30 PM) Teoalida: I am sad for disappointing him and not getting more details about job, I am curious how it was working like
(8:21:48 PM) Visitor 84810818: it’s okay, im sure youll get more offers!
(8:21:52 PM) Teoalida: NOT for losing job, I wouldn’t have accepted such job anyway
(8:22:15 PM) Visitor 84810818: ah, okay
(8:22:17 PM) Visitor 84810818: makes sense
(8:22:34 PM) Teoalida: are you able to understand how I make a living currently?
(8:22:51 PM) Visitor 84810818: I think so, can you explain it a bit?
(8:24:04 PM) Teoalida: I create databases and sell them to companies, one database takes many hours to create but once created generate a lifetime income from multiple sales with a minimum investment for regular updates
(8:24:24 PM) Visitor 84810818: What kind of databases do you create?
(8:24:46 PM) Teoalida: for comparison, in architecture each project is paid once
(8:25:10 PM) Teoalida: a long-term contract will give a huge workload and when contract ends I realize how much time I wasted with no gains in the future
(8:25:46 PM) Visitor 84810818: Ohh, I see now! That makes a lot of sense.
(8:27:55 PM) Teoalida: how much US architects earn if they are full time employed?
(8:28:50 PM) Visitor 84810818: The average earning for an architect is around $80,000 a year, some make up to $140,000 a year
(8:28:54 PM) Visitor 84810818: It pays well
(8:29:03 PM) Teoalida: gross or net?
(8:29:36 PM) Visitor 84810818: net
(8:29:49 PM) Teoalida: can’t believe
(8:30:11 PM) Visitor 84810818: it’s true!
(8:30:19 PM) Visitor 84810818: feel free to look it up!
(8:30:31 PM) Teoalida: in this case maybe could convince this Canadian company to pay higher than $100 per room
(8:30:44 PM) Visitor 84810818: definately.
(8:30:48 PM) Teoalida: BTW, any of your friends is having fun on my chat?
(8:30:56 PM) Visitor 84810818: what?
(8:31:11 PM) Visitor 84810818: I haven’t told anyone about this site yet!
(8:31:18 PM) Teoalida: Chat started on Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:21:25 PM

(8:21:25 PM) *** Visitor 31177863 has joined the chat ***
(8:21:25 PM) Visitor 31177863: i have problem
(8:21:39 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:21:39 PM) Teoalida: ?
(8:21:59 PM) Visitor 31177863: i download custom floor plan
(8:22:03 PM) Visitor 31177863: link no work
(8:22:18 PM) Teoalida: what custom floor plan?
(8:22:26 PM) Visitor 31177863: HDB
(8:22:31 PM) Visitor 31177863: want plan
(8:23:08 PM) Teoalida: HDB floor plans to AutoCAD is a service, NOT a ready-made product to download immediately after paying
(8:23:18 PM) Visitor 31177863: WANT PLAN
(8:23:21 PM) Visitor 31177863: NOW
(8:23:23 PM) Visitor 31177863: SEND PLA
(8:23:46 PM) Visitor 31177863: fine
(8:23:48 PM) Visitor 31177863 is currently viewing .
(8:24:00 PM) Visitor 31177863 is currently viewing https://www.teoalida.com/.
(8:24:24 PM) Teoalida: clarify which HDB floor plan do you want so I can do it for you?
(8:24:42 PM) Visitor 31177863 is currently viewing https://www.teoalida.com/store/.
(8:25:21 PM) Visitor 31177863: I would like a custom plan for 1200 square foot house
(8:25:56 PM) *** Visitor 31177863 has left ***
(8:31:23 PM) Teoalida: SAME IP LIKE YO
(8:31:36 PM) Teoalida: Chat started on Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:29:15 PM

(8:29:15 PM) *** Visitor 66397333 has joined the chat ***
(8:29:15 PM) *** Visitor 66397333 has joined the chat ***
(8:29:15 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:29:42 PM) Teoalida: so you want architectural services for a house that will be BUILT, or a CAD conversion or a HDB flat or something already built?
(8:30:31 PM) Visitor 66397333: none. you rude. i done with you
(8:31:07 PM) Teoalida: Visitor 311778638:25 PM
I would like a custom plan for 1200 square foot house
(8:32:00 PM) Visitor 84810818: ?????????
(8:33:09 PM) Visitor 84810818: How is that my IP?!?! I only have this window open on my laptop
(8:33:18 PM) Teoalida: are you in school?
(8:33:22 PM) Visitor 84810818: Yes
(8:33:40 PM) Teoalida: most US schools use same IP for every computer
(8:34:07 PM) Teoalida: I had numerous cases of pranks made by multiple people contacting me in same time from same IP making me difficult to know who is who
(8:34:13 PM) Visitor 84810818: ugh i bet one of my classmates is looking over my damn shoulder
(8:34:30 PM) Visitor 84810818: Got it! It was my desk partner, sorry about that ugh
(8:34:49 PM) Teoalida: tell him to come back if he is serious and want an actual service from me and my partner architects
(8:34:52 PM) Visitor 84810818: I apologize if he said something unkind, he can be a bit of a prick sometimes.
(8:34:55 PM) Visitor 84810818: I will!
(8:35:28 PM) Visitor 84810818: I am definately going to reccomend you to my friends- you are very kind AND helpful!
(8:35:58 PM) Teoalida: please don’t recommend “come and ask Teoalida if you want to know anything”
(8:36:10 PM) Visitor 84810818: hahaha i wont!
(8:36:25 PM) Teoalida: because will make me disturbed by a lot of people not buying anything or paying any service
(8:36:33 PM) Visitor 84810818: right.
(8:37:09 PM) Visitor 84810818: oh, wait, are you talking about me? Im very sorry if i was bothersome, i didnt mean to disrupt you from any potential clients 🙁
(8:38:06 PM) Teoalida: I am not talking about you but about all people who contact me unnecessarily
(8:38:33 PM) Teoalida: during April this year had lots of people from US contacting me daily asking random questions
(8:38:40 PM) Visitor 84810818: oh okay
(8:39:03 PM) Teoalida: I believe that someone has shared on Facebook or on a forum “if you have any kind of questions go to Teoalida website and ask”
(8:39:21 PM) Visitor 84810818: Oh that stinks
(8:39:27 PM) Visitor 84810818: Im sorry about that!
(8:39:40 PM) Visitor 84810818: have you gotten any ACTUAL offers lately?
(8:39:45 PM) Teoalida: Visitor 925997678:39 PM
Hello Mr. Teoalida. My name is Toss Smithe, and I am interested in contracting you for paying job. You will have approximately three months to complete it, and if the finished product is as expected, we are willing to pay around $10,000. I would like a custom designed 3D model floor plan, preferably done in AutoCAD.
(8:39:57 PM) Teoalida: another prank message from your IPs
(8:40:08 PM) Visitor 84810818: are you kidding me.
(8:40:19 PM) Visitor 84810818: I’m Going to kill whoever is doing this
(8:40:24 PM) Visitor 84810818: (not literally of course
(8:40:25 PM) Visitor 84810818: )
(8:40:54 PM) Visitor 84810818: is it the same as this IP that i am typing from??
(8:40:58 PM) Teoalida: yes, same IP
(8:41:08 PM) Visitor 84810818: Really?!
(8:41:08 PM) Teoalida: is some idiot from your school
(8:41:23 PM) Visitor 84810818: Possibly, or someone legit interested, hang on
(8:42:03 PM) Visitor 84810818: What is the ip?
(8:42:28 PM) Visitor 84810818: My ip that i’m currently messaging you from is 2601:c7:8480:10d2:cd2a:846d:36a4:a15b
(8:43:47 PM) Teoalida: I think that IPv6 are routed through one IPv4
(8:43:52 PM) Visitor 84810818: oh okay
(8:43:53 PM) Visitor 84810818: what
(8:43:59 PM) Visitor 84810818: What’s their ip adress
(8:44:11 PM) Visitor 84810818: i can check to see if its someone at my school
(8:44:32 PM) Teoalida: 73.207.66.125
(8:45:40 PM) Visitor 84810818: Give me one minute. checking
(8:48:57 PM) Visitor 84810818: okay ive officially checked all of the ips, that doesnt match any of them
(8:51:47 PM) Teoalida: https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/chat-2018-07-09/ this was also a prank or was serious?
(8:51:59 PM) Visitor 84810818: let me look!
(8:55:28 PM) Visitor 84810818: That sounds like a prank :/
(8:55:38 PM) Visitor 84810818: doesnt sound legitamate.
(8:57:08 PM) Visitor 84810818: Are you there?
(8:57:33 PM) Teoalida: Visitor 925997678:54 PM
It might be someone in my area, but it certainly was NOT me. I am slightly offended that you would even think that.
Teoalida8:54 PM
I am also offended by previous person
Visitor 925997678:55 PM
My email is [email protected]
Teoalida8:55 PM
actually 3 people messaged me from same IP of your school
Visitor 925997678:56 PM
Well i apologize for that, but i work at a school where students sometimes act juvenile. I apologize for that. I am serious about this offer, though.
(8:57:57 PM) Teoalida: previous person made a purchase with [email protected]
(8:58:01 PM) Teoalida: maybe this help you identifying them
(8:58:06 PM) Teoalida: or emails are fake
(8:58:15 PM) Visitor 84810818: hmm, let me check up on that.
(8:58:25 PM) Visitor 84810818: sorry about all this happening though!
(8:58:57 PM) Visitor 84810818: The chat you just sent me talking about working at the school actually sounds legitimate, our professors often have jobs outside of teaching
(9:02:01 PM) Visitor 84810818: The above email doesn’t look familiar?
(9:11:57 PM) Visitor 84810818: I have to run – I have class in 15 minutes, but it was nice to chat with you!
(9:12:04 PM) Visitor 84810818: Thanks for your advice and such!
(9:12:14 PM) Teoalida: you can come back lagter
(9:12:15 PM) Teoalida: later
(9:12:17 PM) Visitor 84810818: Sorry again about my dumb peers!
(9:12:22 PM) Visitor 84810818: Oh, okay!
(9:12:22 PM) Teoalida: and hope your friends won’t make more pranks
(9:12:25 PM) Visitor 84810818: yes i will!
(9:12:32 PM) Teoalida: Dear Mr. Teoalida,

We are excited to extend you the offer of a position as an Architectural Cad Designer, reporting directly to Toss Smithe. Based on your experience and portfolio, we are looking forward to seeing how you will take our ideas to the next level.

Per your conversation with Toss Smithe, we’d like to offer you a one-time payment salary of $10,000 paid out on a semi-monthly basis via direct deposit.
(9:12:34 PM) Visitor 84810818: Ill make sure they dont haha
(9:12:41 PM) Teoalida: who is this?
(9:12:41 PM) Visitor 84810818: ?? Whats that?
(9:13:06 PM) Visitor 84810818: Ohh I’m not sure, might be one of the professors or workers!
(9:13:25 PM) Visitor 84810818: That honestly sounds real
(9:13:36 PM) Visitor 84810818: Got to run – talk to you later!
(9:13:54 PM) Visitor 84810818 has rated the chat Good
(9:14:28 PM) *** Visitor 84810818 has left ***

The 2nd person

Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/checkout/purchase-confirmation/

Chat started on Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:21:25 PM

(8:21:25 PM) *** Visitor 31177863 has joined the chat ***
(8:21:25 PM) Visitor 31177863: i have problem
(8:21:39 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:21:39 PM) Teoalida: ?
(8:21:59 PM) Visitor 31177863: i download custom floor plan
(8:22:03 PM) Visitor 31177863: link no work
(8:22:18 PM) Teoalida: what custom floor plan?
(8:22:26 PM) Visitor 31177863: HDB
(8:22:31 PM) Visitor 31177863: want plan
(8:23:08 PM) Teoalida: HDB floor plans to AutoCAD is a service, NOT a ready-made product to download immediately after paying
(8:23:18 PM) Visitor 31177863: WANT PLAN
(8:23:21 PM) Visitor 31177863: NOW
(8:23:23 PM) Visitor 31177863: SEND PLA
(8:23:46 PM) Visitor 31177863: fine
(8:24:24 PM) Teoalida: clarify which HDB floor plan do you want so I can do it for you?
(8:25:21 PM) Visitor 31177863: I would like a custom plan for 1200 square foot house
(8:25:56 PM) *** Visitor 31177863 has left ***

The 3rd person

Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/

Chat started on Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:29:15 PM

(8:29:15 PM) *** Visitor 66397333 has joined the chat ***
(8:29:15 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:29:42 PM) Teoalida: so you want architectural services for a house that will be BUILT, or a CAD conversion or a HDB flat or something already built?
(8:30:31 PM) Visitor 66397333: none. you rude. i done with you
(8:31:07 PM) Teoalida: Visitor 311778638:25 PM
I would like a custom plan for 1200 square foot house
(8:32:28 PM) Teoalida: I am rude? what about the way you messaged me few min ago?
(8:33:00 PM) Teoalida: or wasn’t you but a friend of you?
(9:03:33 PM) *** Visitor 66397333 has left ***

The 4th person – Toss Smithe

Page URL: https://www.teoalida.com/

Chat started on Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:39:14 PM

(8:39:14 PM) *** Visitor 92599767 has joined the chat ***
(8:39:15 PM) Visitor 92599767: Hello Mr. Teoalida. My name is Toss Smithe, and I am interested in contracting you for paying job. You will have approximately three months to complete it, and if the finished product is as expected, we are willing to pay around $10,000. I would like a custom designed 3D model floor plan, preferably done in AutoCAD.
(8:39:16 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… may I know what are you looking for? If you need any help or just want to talk about what is on website, drop here a message!
(8:39:25 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:39:39 PM) Teoalida: You have same IP with someone who few minutes ago was making jokes in this chat
(8:40:18 PM) Teoalida: tell me more details about job IF you are serious
(8:43:00 PM) Teoalida: $10,000 for a 3D model floor plan looks unrealistic to be true
(8:43:43 PM) Visitor 92599767: Rest assured I am serious Mr. teoalida. I have contracted multiple people before for around the same price range.
(8:44:06 PM) Teoalida: explain what is your project about
(8:44:16 PM) Teoalida: and tell to your colleagues to stop making pranks
(8:47:02 PM) Visitor 92599767: i’m building on a piece of private property in north Georgia (United States). The land has an estimated value of around $100,540, and we are building for an undisclosed family.
(8:47:05 PM) Teoalida: some of 3D models shown on website I done in 4 hours and you say that I have 3 months to complete…. so what is your project about?
(8:47:10 PM) Visitor 92599767: Colleagues making pranks?
(8:47:53 PM) Visitor 92599767: regardless, we require a 3D interior and exterior model for the 4 story house
(8:47:56 PM) Teoalida: can you give me your email, company name and website? to see if you are serious?
(8:48:00 PM) Visitor 92599767: as well as a garden and pool.
(8:49:11 PM) Visitor 92599767: I cannot disclose the company at this time, I am a private recruiter for this family. If you are interested, I can give you my email.
(8:49:46 PM) Teoalida: I can ask one of my partner architects to work for you
(8:50:44 PM) Visitor 92599767: Are you not interested in the job? I was looking at your profile and website and it seems like you’re very skilled in AutoCad. We need less of an architect, more someone like you who can Cad.
(8:51:22 PM) Teoalida: as far I can see you aren’t even looking in the pages where I show my AutoCAD works
(8:51:47 PM) Visitor 92599767: I had my clients take a look a few weeks back.
(8:52:11 PM) Teoalida: and I am interested if you are serious
(8:53:14 PM) Visitor 92599767: I am serious.
(8:53:44 PM) Teoalida: Chat started on Thursday, August 23, 2018 8:21:25 PM

(8:21:25 PM) *** Visitor 31177863 has joined the chat ***
(8:21:25 PM) Visitor 31177863: i have problem
(8:21:39 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(8:21:39 PM) Teoalida: ?
(8:21:59 PM) Visitor 31177863: i download custom floor plan
(8:22:03 PM) Visitor 31177863: link no work
(8:22:18 PM) Teoalida: what custom floor plan?
(8:22:26 PM) Visitor 31177863: HDB
(8:22:31 PM) Visitor 31177863: want plan
(8:23:08 PM) Teoalida: HDB floor plans to AutoCAD is a service, NOT a ready-made product to download immediately after paying
(8:23:18 PM) Visitor 31177863: WANT PLAN
(8:23:21 PM) Visitor 31177863: NOW
(8:23:23 PM) Visitor 31177863: SEND PLA
(8:23:46 PM) Visitor 31177863: fine
(8:23:48 PM) Visitor 31177863 is currently viewing .
(8:24:00 PM) Visitor 31177863 is currently viewing https://www.teoalida.com/.
(8:24:24 PM) Teoalida: clarify which HDB floor plan do you want so I can do it for you?
(8:24:42 PM) Visitor 31177863 is currently viewing https://www.teoalida.com/store/.
(8:25:21 PM) Visitor 31177863: I would like a custom plan for 1200 square foot house
(8:25:56 PM) *** Visitor 31177863 has left ***
(8:53:59 PM) Teoalida: This person contacted me 30 min ago and have SAME IP like you
(8:54:38 PM) Visitor 92599767: It might be someone in my area, but it certainly was NOT me. I am slightly offended that you would even think that.
(8:54:54 PM) Teoalida: I am also offended by previous person
(8:55:12 PM) Visitor 92599767: My email is [email protected]
(8:55:12 PM) Teoalida: actually 3 people messaged me from same IP of your school
(8:56:26 PM) Visitor 92599767: Well i apologize for that, but i work at a school where students sometimes act juvenile. I apologize for that. I am serious about this offer, though.
(8:56:31 PM) Visitor 92599767: What is your full name?
(8:56:34 PM) Teoalida: seems so
(8:56:47 PM) Teoalida: some kids from your school like having fun
(8:57:02 PM) Teoalida: and this put me in trouble to know who is who
(8:57:09 PM) Teoalida: I sent you an email, can you reply?
(8:57:20 PM) Visitor 92599767: Yes, let me check my inbox.
(8:57:50 PM) Visitor 92599767: I haven’t recieved an email from anyone.
(8:58:28 PM) Teoalida: we will see if my email bounce back if your email address is fake
(8:58:31 PM) Teoalida: send me an email
(8:58:35 PM) Teoalida: and include project details
(9:00:08 PM) Visitor 92599767: Can you send me another test email please? Again my email is [email protected]
(9:00:36 PM) Visitor 92599767: just received your email!
(9:02:59 PM) Teoalida: seeing your email…. hmm, you aren’t student?
(9:03:13 PM) Teoalida: you are teacher or what?
(9:03:15 PM) Visitor 92599767: No, I am not.
(9:05:54 PM) *** Visitor 92599767 has left ***

My email conversation with Toss Smithe

Teoalida
Aug 23, 2018, 8:55 PM

So can you give me more details about your project?


Toss Smithe
Aug 23, 2018, 9:01 PM

Yes, and again I apologize for the behavior of my students. Details will follow in a separate email shortly.


Toss Smithe
Aug 23, 2018, 9:11 PM

Dear Mr. Teoalida,

We are excited to extend you the offer of a position as an Architectural Cad Designer, reporting directly to Toss Smithe. Based on your experience and portfolio, we are looking forward to seeing how you will take our ideas to the next level.

Per your conversation with Toss Smithe, we’d like to offer you a one-time payment salary of $10,000 paid out on a semi-monthly basis via direct deposit.

If you decide to accept this role, your anticipated start date will be August 30, 2018. You will be expected to send updates of said designs on a bi-weekly basis.

Please note that we are offering you employment on an at-will basis. This means that we may end your employment at any time without cause, but will offer a $5,000 reparation fee if this does happen. You are also free to leave the company at any time for any reason.

To accept this offer, please email me by August 24, 2018 and I will get you started with the rest of the onboarding process.

We are excited about this possibility! If you have any questions, please contact me directly via email.

Sincerely,

Toss Smithe
Private Contractor
[email protected]


Teoalida
Aug 23, 2018, 9:22 PM

“Based on your experience and portfolio, we are looking forward to seeing how you will take our ideas to the next level.”

As far I see you haven’t opened any page under www.teoalida.com/design and if you opened you wouldn’t have said what you said… my architecture career was mostly about small house designs, each paid few hundred dollars and took 1 week to complete, so I feel surprised to see you saying that will pay me $10,000 and 3 months to complete. What does your job involve to be so pricely and take 3 months?

What made you to employ me for this job? How did you found me? Did any of your prank-lovers students told you about me?

Beside the projects done myself that you see on website, I have few partner architects and CAD designers that are more experienced than me and I am sure that we can help you. Just need more details about your project.


Toss Smithe
Aug 24, 2018, 7:15 PM

I am honestly very offended that you would speak so rudely to me. I understand some of your inquiries, but you have passed the line of being cautious and are now being both presumptuous and rude to someone offering you a job. Also, “my” “prank-loving students”? Just because you might get some form of spam on your website doesn’t mean all is spam. If you continue to treat potential customers and/or employers like this, you will make no business. A few weeks ago, my client looked at your designs online and encouraged me to reach out to you for this job. The fact that you would assume that just because my IP address or user address (or whatever you used to see that I had not visited the design page) had not been on that page is simply concerning and outrageous. I understand that you haven’t been paid the fairest prices for your work, but I was willing to pay you a fair price. I seriously hope you will change your actions in the future. I am officially withdrawing my offer.
Regards,
Toss Smithe


Teoalida
Aug 24, 2018, 7:46 PM

Yesterday in about 30 minutes BEFORE you contacted me, I had 3 chats, of which 1st one was a bit serious saying that is a student that wants to learn architecture, 2nd and 3rd chat sounded like a kid making pranks, you were 4th chat. For a moment I though that there is a single person opening multiple chats to have fun with me. I am sorry if I offended you but few minutes earlier I was also offended by rude attitude of people from your school. And you said “Yes, and again I apologize for the behavior of my students.”

Given by above circumstances and lack of project details I am still questioning if you are a legit customer or scammer, over last few years I have been contacted by several people offering me large sums of money but asked me to pay some fees in advance and probably they were going to chargeback to steal my money. An example of scam I documented here https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/scam-for-web-designers/ . Beside this had other cases of scamming me, requesting work, refusing to pay in advance and stopped replying after part of work was done, effectively wasting my time and never paying.

Please understand why I am cautions about your offer.

Also, I am not sure if your job is within my area of experience, and I have time for it, because I stopped offering architecture services in 2016 to focus on my IT/database business which produce 10x more money than architecture. I am a busy man with a portfolio of over 1000 clients buying databases last 6 years and currently earning 4-digit sum of $ per month…. so probably I will pass your architecture job to one of my partner architects that do not have “second jobs” like me.

I sent 1 more email as apologize

Teoalida
Tue, Aug 28, 1:31 AM

I attach below the chatlogs with your students hoping that you will understand who are the idiots who caused confusion about your legitimacy, can you identify these students and spank them? THEY damage relation between you and me and other people too.

FOR YOUR INFO: if you play a game, and allow your friend / colleague / schoolmate / neighbor to play same game via your WI-FI, and he is using cheats and get banned, you risk to be banned too for sharing IP with cheater even if you are a legitimate player.

Think yourself if you were a salesperson in my place, HOW YOU HAVE REACTED if received 4 chats from same IP, 1st chat saying that is a student and ask for architecture courses, 2nd and 3rd chats saying funny messages, followed by 4th chat (you) proposing business at an unrealistic high price, then when I showed your job offer to 1st student he said “That sounds like a prank” and “I’m Going to kill whoever is doing this”? And have no possibility to verify if they are same person or different people? Anyone would assume that you’re just another student having fun, only when you sent second email with signature “Private Contractor” I realized that you MAY BE a legit customer.

Let’s assume that YOU’RE SERIOUS and the fact that you contacted me from same IP at same time with some non-serious students acting juvenile was an unlucky coincidence

“A few weeks ago, my client looked at your designs online and encouraged me to reach out to you for this job”. The fact that you didn’t opened /design pages yesterday matter less, the fact that you contacted me JUST FEW MINUTES after your students had fun, gave me impression that you’re another student having fun.

If you were contacting me alone and offer your business WITHOUT ALLOWING other 3 students to contact me few minutes earlier and act badly, I was surely taking your business in serious.

I am NOT rude with everyone but only when groups of students disturb me with non-sense messages. I apologize for the informal way I replied your previous emails and over-cautious but this happened because 4 students from your school messed up my mind. I had several precedent cases of a student contacting me and shortly after his schoolmates join the chat because are bored and want to talk with someone. I told them to NOT disturb me unless they are interested, and next day they contacted me again asking for various services / fake projects just to keep me busy from working for legit customers, lack of proper project details gave them away that are pranks. One guy said that will pay me $200/hour to be his mentor and after 30 min he said “you have been pranked!”. Exactly this happened at the moment you contacted me, group of 4 people sent me non-sense messages simultaneously and you lacked project details!

I am not accusing you for being non-serious, but I am INFORMING you that majority of customers in architecture are non-serious, want services for free or for a very low price that does not worth my time, or promise a big payment then run away, so I no longer care of ANYONE asking for architecture services. Please apologize for my difficulties of identifying the serious customers in the big sea of non-serious customers.

I have currently about 30 projects I am involved in, 30 databases that have been purchased by over 1000 customers, generating a LIFETIME INCOME with minimum investment to keep them up-to-date (compared with only 20-30 customers who paid for architecture services). Due to this reason I tend to AVOID jobs with one-time payment (unless is high payment), I am outsourcing them to other people. Are you against outsourcing?

Did you read https://www.teoalida.com/about/aboutme/ ?

The “Virtual City” 3D artistic hobby, have impressed people dreaming to build a house but also architects, turning into business. Many people advised me to pursue a career in architecture, but contrary of what most people think, I never been able to earn enough from architecture. Lots of bad customers from third-world countries ask me to do floor plans for free, do not want to pay, and the few paying customers usually waste too much time for the money they pay.
Furthermore, database services turned to be more profitable, so I have no reason to continue my career in architecture, I decided in 2015 to NOT do any more projects, unless there is a special case.
I have a couple of architects willing to do projects in my place. DO NOT ask for house plans if you cannot PAY for service!

A $10,000 project is a special case and worth a try.

However, you mentioning price in 1st message also raised suspicion. Normal customers provide project details THEN we negotiate price.

Have you seen https://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/ ? As you can see 90% of projects I done myself were low-cost houses in Asia and Africa. They are cubish houses. American luxury houses have very complex shapes rather than a cube. I personally do not taste American architecture style. Would your US client ask you to hire a CAD designer with little experience in US luxury homes? Again raised suspicion. Or he wants specifically a house design with Asian styling?

Please provide project details (land dimensions, how many rooms, how many square meters, some photos of houses to indicate preferred architectural style, etc), and explain what amount of work your project involve that is supposed to take 3 months. A house project require architectural, electrical, plumbing drawings, plus structural analysis, this indeed may take 3 months and cost $10,000. I personally can provide ONLY architectural drawings, the rest can be done by my partners. You mentioned that you don’t need an architect but just a CAD Designer, in this case is unjustified to take 3 months and pay $10,000. If I finish project in 1 week do you still pay $10,000?

As far I understand you want a 4-storey house on a land valued at $100,540 and this indicate that house itself may cost few million dollars comparable with those owned by Hollywood stars. This explain $10,000 price, BUT these wealthy people are very exigent and pretentious and only highly-experienced architects can satisfy them. I have only 4 years of experience in architecture. My concern is that I CANNOT provide a satisfying design for your client and he will ask you to break collaboration with me (yourself said “This means that we may end your employment at any time without cause”), leaving me UNHAPPY for time wasted and not paid. Or you will pay but he will ask so many design revisions and take so much time that will make me UNHAPPY either.

This is why I am passing your project to my partner architects that are less busy than me and having 20+ years experience in architecture, they are more likely to satisfy your client than me. I showed chatlog with you and your 3 students to 2 architects

********@gmail.com Philippines architect answered this:

Actually, it has some hint of prank but who knows, it might be of substance.
It will take only a few minutes of your time to be kind and go on with it before knowing if this is a prank or not. You’d actually lose nothing
It would be better to go along with it for a few more emails rather than regretting or letting it loose and knowing it was one of those times when an oppurtunity came knocking at your door and you didn’t entertain it.

********@yahoo.com American architect answered this:

I would recommend asking for a 50% deposit upon commencing any job, this will ensure that they pay you. You should be getting paid more if you are not, your work is very nice, don’t let anyone put a value on your work, you set the standard. I know that is easy to say because it’s something that I struggled with for a long time but when you realize your worth you can’t let people take advantage of you. I would be happy to help you mediate with this potential client let me know how I can help, I can contact them on your behalf and see if they are serious.

Actually even if you make a small deposit of $100 may prove your seriousity

Marysela email conversation with Toss Smithe

Rubio Marysela
Aug 25 at 4:14 PM

Hello, I am Marysela Rubio from Aurora CO, and I got your contact from Teoalida. I’ve been aquainted with Teoalida since 2016 he is very talented, and he contacted me yesterday regarding your project that you contacted him about. He feels he has limited experience with US homes and two years ago he chose to go into a career other than architecture.

Teoalida thinks that I am a more suitable architect for your project than himself. He was very apologetic for his confusion regarding whenever you are a legitimate customer. I understand 4 people from the same location like yours contacted him in short period of time and one of them did not sounded serious.

As far I understand we are talking about a luxury mansion in Georgia. Can you provide more details about project such as the City, and County, Sq. Footage requirements, where are you at in the design process do you have a floor plan or do I need to design one for you based on your criteria? Do you need complete set of architectural drawings, structural, plumbing, electrical, or just a floor plan and 3D model? What is your timeframe, do you have a survey, topo map or soil report?

If you give me the information about the location of the house I can research the required coded and find out what the requirements are for submittal in the local jurisdiction.

Thank you,

Marysela Rubio


Toss Smithe
Aug 31 at 10:17 PM

Show original message
I didn’t have the best experience when it came to your friend Teoalida, and so I am interested in hiring another designer – thank you for reaching out! As far as city and county go, my client wishes to leave that information undisclosed. As strange as it sounds, my client is interested in keeping a low profile and wishes for their property location to remain confidential. My client would like around 6,500 square feet of space, possibly more. We are just starting out in the design process, we plan to begin construction next June. I am reaching out to potential hires early so as to secure someone as soon as possible. We require a floor plan and 3D model as well as Structural drawings.

I have linked below the 2018 Georgia Standards for Submittal for your reference. Please let me know within the hour you recieve this if you are interested or not.

Warmest Regards,

Toss Smithe
Private Contractor
[email protected]


Rubio Marysela
Sep 1 at 5:51 PM

Toss,

I work with clients on new house designs ranging from 4,000 to 7,000+ Sq. Ft. I am not sure how I would be able to design a house without knowing where it is going to be located

Seeing as how the location dictates and zoning codes dictate what you are allowed to do and not do. Also there are many considerations taken in regards to location, views, orientation of the house etc. in the design. It sounds like would probably not be a good fit for the project as I would need more information.

Thank you anyway for your consideration,

Marysela Rubio

Who was this person sending vulgar messages? Same IP. Was the same Toss Smithe or another colleague

Chat started on Friday, August 31, 2018 10:17:21 PM

(10:17:21 PM) *** Visitor 19491843 has joined the chat ***
(10:17:21 PM) Visitor 19491843: Hello
(10:18:43 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(10:18:44 PM) Teoalida: hi
(10:19:16 PM) Visitor 19491843: Do you still accept Architectural Jobs?
(10:19:55 PM) Teoalida: as you can read at top of page, I don’t have time for architecture myself but I have few partners architects who can serve customers coming at me
(10:20:11 PM) Teoalida: they do jobs cheaper and better quality than me anyway
(10:20:44 PM) Visitor 19491843: Do you have their contact information. Phone number and email address.
(10:21:09 PM) Teoalida: i have emails of all, let me check for phone numbers
(10:21:20 PM) Visitor 19491843: Thank you!
(10:21:21 PM) Teoalida: but tell me what is your project about so I can determine which is the best architect
(10:21:33 PM) Teoalida: and how much are you paying
(10:21:56 PM) Teoalida: because my partner architects complain that I send them non-serious customers
(10:22:23 PM) Visitor 19491843: looking for a Floor plan & 3D model. Payment depends on their skill level and completion of job, around $600-800 US dollars.
(10:22:23 PM) Teoalida: had a case with someone exchanging over 10 emails with architect, customer wanted to see a sketch BEFORE paying, architect wanted to get paid BEFORE making a sketch
(10:23:02 PM) Visitor 19491843: i have a serious offer.
(10:23:23 PM) Teoalida: is the house being built in US or you’re foreign worker?
(10:23:32 PM) Visitor 19491843: United States.
(10:24:30 PM) Teoalida: $600-800? this price gave me impression that you are building in Africa
(10:24:38 PM) Teoalida: well, my partners from Asia can work at this price
(10:25:00 PM) Teoalida: I have also an US partner architect but he charge higher
(10:25:15 PM) Teoalida: how we can contact you? any email?
(10:25:28 PM) Visitor 19491843: I prefer phone number.
(10:25:30 PM) Visitor 19491843: Would it be possible for me to get your telephone number for future contact? I would like to be able to text message you if at all possible, I do not like this “chat room” system
(10:26:12 PM) Teoalida: my voice is bad, if you make calls you may not understand me and may think that I am not serious worker
(10:26:34 PM) Visitor 19491843: Do you have a phone number that I can text message on?
(10:27:51 PM) Teoalida: +** ****-******
(10:28:11 PM) Visitor 19491843: Great, thank you.
(10:30:22 PM) Visitor 19491843: I now have your phone number and will be posting it all over the internet. Have fun with your millions of prank calls stupid mother fucker
(10:30:42 PM) Teoalida: LOL idiot
(10:30:59 PM) Teoalida: thanks god I didn’t shared you phone number of my architects
(10:31:08 PM) Visitor 19491843: I already have them.
(10:31:20 PM) Teoalida: you would have hurt innocent people
(10:31:47 PM) Teoalida: BTW, are you friend with Toss Smithe ?
(10:31:56 PM) Visitor 19491843: I have marysela rubios, and cosas.
(10:32:01 PM) Visitor 19491843: No. Who is that
(10:32:24 PM) Teoalida: just before you messaged me on chat, Toss Smithe replied at my email
(10:32:57 PM) Teoalida: Toss Smithe mentioned about a house in Georgia
(10:33:04 PM) Teoalida: your IP is also located in Georgia
(10:33:07 PM) Visitor 19491843: I have no clue who that is. Ur so stupid you think that is some correlation? Dumb. it doesn’t matter I will annoy you to the end of the earth.
(10:33:20 PM) Visitor 19491843: i use an IP disguiser.
(10:33:41 PM) Teoalida: now you are mentioning in chat about Marysela Rubios
(10:33:44 PM) Visitor 19491843: U cannot see my real IP, it is being rerouted and disguised. Any IP you see is fake.
(10:33:54 PM) Teoalida: the only customer I told about Marysela Rubios is Toss Smithe
(10:34:00 PM) Visitor 19491843: Yes. I found in a forum on your website you mentioned Marysela.
(10:34:12 PM) Visitor 19491843: I DONT KNOW WHO THE HECK TOSS SMITHE IS
(10:34:16 PM) Teoalida: how else do you know about Marysela if you AREN’T Toss Smithe ?
(10:34:39 PM) Visitor 19491843: I JUST TOLD YOU
(10:34:39 PM) Teoalida: what forum, where I mentioned Marysela?
(10:34:44 PM) Teoalida: I didn’t mentioned anywhere her
(10:34:49 PM) Visitor 19491843: I FOUND YOUR NAME ON MARYSELA FORUM.
(10:35:01 PM) Visitor 19491843: NOT OTHER WAYAROUND STUDP
(10:35:02 PM) Teoalida: but honestly, the way you behave now indicate that Toss Smithe was pranking me
(10:35:29 PM) Visitor 19491843: I. DONT. KNOW. WHO. THAT. IS.
(10:35:49 PM) Visitor 19491843: get it thru ur head I don’t know someone named toss smith
(10:35:58 PM) Teoalida: if you aren’t Toss Smithe, you are a student from his school and your behavior damage image of Toss Smithe too
(10:36:01 PM) Teoalida: I will report you
(10:36:48 PM) Visitor 19491843: U IDIOT I AM USING AN iP disguises, the Ip you see is made up by my computer so I can prank people
(10:37:12 PM) Visitor 19491843: i am actually in Canada but am using IP hider dummy
(10:37:29 PM) Teoalida: Visitor 925997678:47 PM
i’m building on a piece of private property in north Georgia (United States). The land has an estimated value of around $100,540, and we are building for an undisclosed family.
(10:37:42 PM) Visitor 19491843: what the heck is that
(10:37:49 PM) Teoalida: how come that your IP hider put your IP exactly in the state mentioned by Toss Smithe?
(10:38:12 PM) Visitor 19491843: theres something called a COINCIDENCE DUMMY
(10:38:26 PM) Visitor 19491843: i don’t know who the fuck toss smith is
(10:39:29 PM) Teoalida: oh right, and the 4 people who messaged me in same hour and from same IP with Toss Smithe, and behaved rudely, was also a COINCIDENCE?
(10:40:01 PM) Visitor 19491843: i have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about dude
(10:40:17 PM) Visitor 19491843: if you don’t stop I’ll leak ur phone number
(10:40:19 PM) Teoalida: I didn’t have the best experience when it came to your friend Teoalida, and so I am interested in hiring another designer – thank you for reaching out! As far as city and county go, my client wishes to leave that information undisclosed. As strange as it sounds, my client is interested in keeping a low profile and wishes for their property location to remain confidential. My client would like around 6,500 square feet of space, possibly more. We are just starting out in the design process, we plan to begin construction next June. I am reaching out to potential hires early so as to secure someone as soon as possible. We require a floor plan and 3D model as well as Structural drawings.

I have linked below the 2018 Georgia Standards for Submittal for your reference. Please let me know within the hour you recieve this if you are interested or not.

Warmest Regards,

Toss Smithe
Private Contractor
[email protected]
(10:40:40 PM) Visitor 19491843: what the fuck is that
(10:40:44 PM) Teoalida: if you aren’t Toss Smithe, then who the fuck are you?
(10:40:59 PM) Teoalida: and why do you make pranks here?
(10:41:37 PM) Visitor 19491843: MY NAME IS JACK MICHAELS AND I FUCKING LIVE IN CANADA, AND FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, GET IT THRU UR THICK SKULL THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THE FUCK TOSS SMITH IS
(10:42:33 PM) Teoalida: I repeat, the ONLY customer who I told about Marysela is Toss Smithe, since YOU mentioned about Marysela in this chat is obvious that you are related to Toss Smithe (if you aren’t himself)
(10:43:12 PM) Visitor 19491843: YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!!! I FOUND MARYSELAS WEBSITE BEFORE I FOUND URS, UR SUCH AN IDIOT
(10:43:22 PM) Teoalida: so please waste someone else’s time with your fucking PRANKS
(10:43:26 PM) Visitor 19491843: I SAW UR NAME AND HER NAME IN AN ONLINE FORUM
(10:43:34 PM) Visitor 19491843: UR SO STUPID
(10:43:40 PM) Teoalida: I am busy with serious customers in IT field
(10:43:43 PM) Teoalida: give me link to that forum?
(10:44:15 PM) Visitor 19491843: hahahahahahha sure u are u dumb duck. Im sure u don’t get any jobs and live in a hole in the ground. I’m not sending u the forum dummy.
(10:44:28 PM) Teoalida: I don’t get any jobs? what the fuck are you talking about
(10:44:36 PM) Teoalida: I still get lots of jobs in architecture
(10:44:46 PM) Teoalida: despite that I wrote on website I NO LONGER OFFER ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN SERVICES
(10:44:59 PM) Teoalida: meantime I have 30-40 customers per month buying databases
(10:45:06 PM) Visitor 19491843: No u don’t. Ha ur so dumb. I’m leaking your phone number to the forum now. Bye asshat
(10:45:21 PM) Teoalida: since 2012 to present I had approximately 20 customers in architecture and OVER 500 customers in IT buying databases
(10:45:28 PM) Teoalida: so I am not interested anymore in architecture
(10:45:39 PM) Teoalida: is not my phone number anyway
(10:46:45 PM) Teoalida: check this out https://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/chat-2018-07-09/
(10:47:19 PM) Teoalida: another case with group of people from same place contacted me and one made pranks then trying to appear as legit customer
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