Big collaboration offer

If anyone know who is this person (or company name), please give me his contact info!
This is most likely a company from in Burlington, Canada using Chief Architect software.

Been looking for long time for a collaboration with an architecture company, but I had luck only at deals with random individuals, my architecture career was filled up with bad experiences, waste of time, LOW payments and many idiots not paying at all. So in 2016 I wrote on website “I decided to NOT do any more projects“.

Surprisingly, in January 2018, someone from Canada, probably from an architecture company wanted to outsource work to me, asking about a software that I never heard before, and instead of giving me a chance to learn it, he turned away! What a SAD day!

Location: Burlington, Canada
Page URL: http://www.teoalida.com/about/aboutme/

Chat started on Monday, January 08, 2018 5:31:56 PM

(5:31:56 PM) *** Visitor has joined the chat ***
(5:31:58 PM) Teoalida (site owner): Hi there… if you need any help or just wanna chat, drop here a message!
(5:32:58 PM) Visitor: Hi
(5:33:12 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(5:33:14 PM) Teoalida: what’s up
(5:33:17 PM) Visitor: Do you do any work in Chief Architect?
(5:33:35 PM) Teoalida: I work also in architecture, but what chief?
(5:34:47 PM) Visitor: https://www.chiefarchitect.com/
(5:35:10 PM) Visitor: it is software
(5:35:10 PM) Teoalida: oh, chief architect was a software?
(5:35:16 PM) Visitor: yes
(5:35:51 PM) Visitor: I guess that means “no”, you don’t work in it…
(5:35:59 PM) Teoalida: watching video
(5:36:08 PM) Teoalida: anyway why did you asked me about this software?
(5:36:35 PM) Visitor: Because it is the software that we use
(5:36:56 PM) Teoalida: and you wanted to outsource work to me?
(5:37:01 PM) Visitor: yes
(5:37:10 PM) Teoalida: how much do you pay?
(5:37:59 PM) Visitor: I see on your site it says from $20 per basic room and $100 per advanced room
(5:38:08 PM) Visitor: $100 for detailed room
(5:38:12 PM) Visitor: Is that correct?
(5:38:21 PM) Visitor: Or do you charge hourly?
(5:39:00 PM) Teoalida: if you look further http://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/#pricing you will see that I have different prices depending by customer country
(5:39:11 PM) Visitor: looking…
(5:39:13 PM) Visitor is currently viewing http://www.teoalida.com/design/houseplans/#pricing.
(5:39:30 PM) Teoalida: anyway, I am currently earning few thousand dollars per month from my other business, architecture is a waste of time at these prices, especially when dealing with random private people
(5:39:36 PM) Visitor: what about large luxury residence
(5:39:43 PM) Teoalida: I wonder if a long-term collaboration with ONE company will worth my time
(5:39:43 PM) Visitor: 25,000+ sqft
(5:39:59 PM) Visitor: ok
(5:40:02 PM) Visitor: nevermind
(5:40:13 PM) Teoalida: does your software produce drawings ready for submission?
(5:40:13 PM) Visitor: thanks for your time
(5:40:18 PM) Visitor: yes
(5:40:28 PM) Teoalida: or just 3D models and elevations for visualisation
(5:40:33 PM) Visitor: everything
(5:40:41 PM) Visitor: but I see you are not interested
(5:40:47 PM) Visitor: no problem
(5:40:51 PM) Teoalida: let’s don’t say yet that I am not interested
(5:40:52 PM) Visitor: thanks for your time
(5:40:57 PM) Visitor: ?
(5:41:03 PM) Visitor: I thought you said so
(5:41:06 PM) Teoalida: I watched your video and looks easy to use software
(5:41:17 PM) Visitor: not my video, not my software
(5:41:28 PM) Visitor: My team uses it
(5:41:29 PM) Teoalida: I watched video from that link
(5:42:05 PM) Teoalida: and as you probably read already on page, I lost interest for working with private people who are likely to not pay or pay too little… long-term collaborations with companies are still welcome
(5:43:10 PM) Visitor: lol, I am insulted by your suggestion that I would not pay. I pay over $30,000/month to my contractors and I will look elsewhere. Good luck to you.
(5:43:23 PM) Teoalida: don’t take this as insult
(5:43:35 PM) Teoalida: but also tell me how do you promote your services to get paying customers?
(5:43:55 PM) Teoalida: and what suggestion do you have for me to increase % of paying customers?
(5:44:01 PM) Visitor: I AM LOOKING TO HIRE
(5:44:06 PM) Visitor: goodbye
(5:44:38 PM) *** Visitor has left ***
(5:44:40 PM) Visitor is currently viewing http://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/bad-indian-customers/#aggressive-indian.
(5:44:43 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(5:44:43 PM) *** Visitor has joined the chat ***
(5:44:47 PM) Teoalida: BTW, do you provide simple floor plans that need to be made in 3D and detailed architectural drawings, or I need to make own floor plans based on words description?
(5:45:20 PM) Visitor: I do, but I have lost interest in your services, thanks again for your time
(5:45:43 PM) Visitor: insulted by your accusation that I would not pay
(5:45:43 PM) Teoalida: why do you lost interesT? just because people from OTHER countries don’t pay?
(5:45:55 PM) Teoalida: I didn’t said that YOU don’t pay
(5:46:18 PM) *** Visitor has left ***
(5:46:43 PM) Visitor is currently viewing http://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/bad-indian-customers/#aggressive-indian.
(5:46:48 PM) *** Teoalida has joined the chat ***
(5:46:48 PM) *** Visitor has joined the chat ***
(5:46:54 PM) Teoalida: you lose connection?
(5:46:56 PM) Visitor is currently viewing http://www.teoalida.com/about/aboutme/.
(5:47:05 PM) Teoalida: if you read http://www.teoalida.com/offtopic/architecture-worst-business/ you will see that I have BOTH good and bad experiences
(5:47:12 PM) Teoalida: some people pay, some people run away without paying
(5:47:17 PM) Teoalida: leave an email address to keep in touch
(5:47:24 PM) Teoalida: Give me a chance to test that software
(5:47:50 PM) Teoalida: to see if I can learn it, THEN I can tell you if worth my time.
(5:50:12 PM) *** Visitor has left ***

Once I published the above chat I showed to several friends in architecture and they said that I lost a great offer, this guy from Canada could be potentially paying me few thousand dollars per month. They suggested me starting a career in architecture by getting employed in a company instead of working for random individuals visiting my website which 9 of 10 do not pay my services.

Well, great job for someone who love architecture, NOT FOR ME who is making same amount of money from data providing business.

He caught me in BAD MOOD caused by recent negative experiences with other customers. My friends told me that I shouldn’t have said that architecture is a waste of time at these prices (trying to make him paying more – but used wrong words) and should have asked more details about his job, it might have been a GOOD opportunity not like the previous BAD experiences although he came TOO LATE, between 2015 and 2018, my income grew 10 times.

Moreover he claims that I insulted him that HE is not paying. As you can see in our chat I NEVER said that. He did read About me page showing that architecture is NOT my primary job, he also read “bad indian customers” who are not paying. So he should have knew this and not put himself in same group.

Is very unlikely that he would have awarded me the job anyway, because wouldn’t have been patient to learn myself Chief Architect, and if he awarded me the job, collaboration would have ended quickly because did not had time to work for him due to being busy with my own data providing business.

BUT by showing above chatlog to friends I found some people who use Chief Architect, so while this job does NOT suit me, I could have put him in contact with my friends and get paid a referral fee. I feel sad that for moment I didn’t though about possibility of employing my friends.

Other collaborations

Received the following email in November 2017. I replied as polite I could, and they never replied back (I got notification that they did read my email). 

Hi,
We are looking for AutoCAD drawings and 3D design for some of our real estate projects.
Could you please send me samples off Floor designs and building designs that you have done in the past so we can evaluate if your work meets or required standards.
After this we would like to work on a per project basis and budget is of importance as we have over 50 projects in hand.

Thanks & Regards


Just browse my website to see samples of designs done in the past. Most important works made in 9 years of building design are published on website. But when I work for customers I follow their requirements which may be different than what you see on website, which most of them are made from personal interest, so don’t rely only on my past projects.
For faster communication use LIVE CHAT in lower-left corner of screen.


Hi again, I replied at your enquiry on 10 November from my Yahoo address but haven’t heard any reply from you. Did you received my email? I am sending it again, this time from my Gmail address.
PS: did you found my email by visiting my website or a previous customer of mine gave you my email address, without telling you that I have a website? See www.teoalida.com/design

2 comments

    • Roy on January 10, 2018 at 11:11 am
    • Reply

    Wow. I believe your response below turned him off:

    (5:39:30 PM) Teoalida: anyway, I am currently earning few thousand dollars per month from my other business, architecture is a waste of time at these prices, especially when dealing with random private people
    (5:39:43 PM) Teoalida: I wonder if a long-term collaboration with ONE company will worth my time

    1. Probably you’re right, but I tried to show him that I do have a big income already and he should PAY HIGHER if he wants to work for him. If the TRUTH insulted him, I am sorry for this.

      I wish to know who is him and contact him again to get more details about this job, even if most likely I have to refuse it. I could let YOU to work for him since you like architecture more than me. He may have been looking for cheap workforce, which I am NOT due to my other business, but he did not even asked me in which country I live.

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